Should Christ be worshipped? (Jesus, ritual, Earth, Kingdom, beliefs)

[Hirohito18200]

At the risk of sounding reductionist, I'd say that the issue of trinity directly determines if Jesus is to be worshiped. This isn't to say that the HS is an afterthought, but it WAS included at a slightly later date (council of ephesus, don't quote me, but 30-70 years later). I am not familiar with any denominations past or present that worship Jesus as equal or part of God without accepting the traditional doctrine of Trinity. By this train of thought, your question would then be narrowed down to the divinity of Jesus, his fulfillment of the Christ proficies etc. within the context of examing the NT gospels for their validity(if this was already your starting place, sorry for wasting your time).

I'll leave you to reconcile these:
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)
This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Hirohito18200

At the risk of sounding reductionist, I'd say that the issue of trinity directly determines if Jesus is to be worshiped. This isn't to say that the HS is an afterthought, but it WAS included at a slightly later date (council of ephesus, don't quote me, but 30-70 years later). I am not familiar with any denominations past or present that worship Jesus as equal or part of God without accepting the traditional doctrine of Trinity. By this train of thought, your question would then be narrowed down to the divinity of Jesus, his fulfillment of the Christ proficies etc. within the context of examing the NT gospels for their validity(if this was already your starting place, sorry for wasting your time).

I'll leave you to reconcile these:
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5)
This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)

If, as John asserts, Jesus was with God in the beginning, and that it was the utterance of Jesus the Word that brought about creation, then Jesus cannot be just a man. If Philippians is correct, then Jesus left his equality with God to take on human form. If these are correct, and the nature of worship is to interact in God's creative process with us, then we do worship Christ.

[Krie]

I thik that you should worship whoever you want. I think that whoever makes you feel the most powerful and safe that is your choice if it is Christ so be it

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by lilithu

BUT... according to how I was taught by a Catholic professor, Jesus of Nazareth was a human being, wholely human, not God. He was crucified for his devotion to God. And God, being so pleased with Jesus and so displeased with the injustice of his crucifixion, ressurected him as Christ. According to this interpretation, Jesus was human up until his death. The resurrected Christ is divine.

Hi, lilithu.

That strikes me as an unusual point of view, coming from a Catholic professor. To me, there is one passage that seems to refute this opinion. It is John 10-17-18. "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

It seems to me that in order to have had the power to raise oneself from the dead, Jesus would have had to be divine prior to His death. This passage is implying that Jesus did not have to rely on His Father to resurrect Him, but was able to do that of His own accord.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Hirohito18200

I am not familiar with any denominations past or present that worship Jesus as equal or part of God without accepting the traditional doctrine of Trinity.

Well you are now.

[may]

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

I am not a christian either (but I do play one on TV! Ha!) so take it for what it's worth but nowhere in the Jewish scriptures does it say one must worship, follow or even believe in the messiah in order to gain salvation or atonement. We are told more than once in the Jewish scriptures that 1) we are to follow and worship G-d and G-d alone, 2) G-d is not nor can He be a man, 3) the messiah will be a human man. Therefor to worship the messiah is to commit idolatry.

yes i agree we should worship the one and only true God psalm 83;18 and this God told us to listen to Jesus,
And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." luke 9;35
Jesus is not God , but Jesus was living in the heavens with his Father before being born on the earth as a man ,and he learned many things from his Father,so he teaches what is from God. good association leads to right conduct, so Jesus is the best teacher because he has wisdom from above to give us....

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by Yes Man

A while ago, I was reading something on the Jehovah's Witnesses and I found out that they do not worship Jesus. They believe that God should only be worshipped. People who believe in the Trinity of Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit probably worship Jesus. However what of people who do not believe in the Trinity? I was wondering about how some of you thought about this. Thank you for your input.

God is God, high and unknowable - Jesus is a deity, stemming from God (as i believe God is the source of everything) but Christ is a deity in and of himself.... in otherwords, i believe Jesus was/is a deity, but is not part of a trinity with God - and i worship both the high, unknown God, and Christ (and other deities, but that's not for this forum )

[michel]

Originally Posted by dawny0826

I don't know what you believe or not but as Protestant (Pentecostal) Christian, I do accept the Trinity. I personally have trouble understanding how other Christian denominations cannot but I do respect other denominations and feel that the difference in beliefs boils down to differences in scriptural interpretation.

I personally believe that God loved us so much that He came to earth in the flesh to show us how to live for Him and to show us how to seek and develop a Parent/Child relationship with Him. He then in LOVE sacrificed Himself for us...and illustrated via Christ...that to die in HIM...is to truly LIVE alongside God for eternity (Christ was resurrected and sits at the right hand of the Father).

As I've been instructed in the Bible to accept Christ as the means to be reconciled to my Father...I do pray and worship Christ...who is/was a manifestation of my God.

I do not view God and Christ simply as ONE in purpose. I believe that Christ WAS my God in the flesh. And when I accepted Christ as my personal Saviour...I received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Father, Son and Holy Ghost...three separate manifestations of ONE GOD.

I am very slightly confused, Dawny. When you say

I believe that Christ WAS my God in the flesh

(with which I agree), was there anything of God 'elsewhere'? (confusing I know, but the way you posted sounded as if all of God, born as Jesus, was in that human body). Is that what you meant?

[author@ptgbook.org]

A while ago, I was reading something on the Jehovah's Witnesses and I found out that they do not worship Jesus. They believe that God should only be worshipped. People who believe in the Trinity of Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit probably worship Jesus. However what of people who do not believe in the Trinity? I was wondering about how some of you thought about this.

I do not believe in the trinity because I belive that the Holy Spirit is the power of God that emanates from God the Father and Jesus Christ, but I worship Jesus Christ because the Bible is clear that Jesus is God.

[uu_sage]

Jesus could in no way be considered God. The man from Nazareth to me was a Jewish mystic, a social and political revolutionary who had awakened the spark of the divine within him. He was executed at the hands of an oppressive empire for being a heretic and for preaching radical love and inclusion.