Should Christ be worshipped? (Jesus Christ, ritual, Earth, Kingdom, virgin)

[James the Persian]

Originally Posted by Hirohito18200

This isn't to say that the HS is an afterthought, but it WAS included at a slightly later date (council of ephesus, don't quote me, but 30-70 years later).

I know this is old, but i just saw it. This is not correct. By added later, I assume you are referring to the Nicene Creed (because the Holy Spirit was certainly mentioned by ante-Nicene Fathers and so belief in Him can't be said to have been added, other than to a formal Creed, by any council.

In any case, the Holy Spirit was mentioned in the original wording of the Creed as produced at Nicea, it just was not elaborated on because nobody was questioning belief in Him. When they later did (the Pneumatomachists), there was a necessity to further refine the Creed to defend Him (all the coucils were called to defend the Church against new heresies, not to define new doctrine). This elaboration, however, (which resulted in the wording the Orthodox use today, the filoque being added later in the west resulting in the RC version) was made at the second Ecumenical Council, Constantinople I, not Ephesus (which was the third Ecumenical Council). This is why the Creed is more accurately referred to as the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.

James

[may]

Originally Posted by Yes Man

A while ago, I was reading something on the Jehovah's Witnesses and I found out that they do not worship Jesus. They believe that God should only be worshipped. People who believe in the Trinity of Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit probably worship Jesus. However what of people who do not believe in the Trinity? I was wondering about how some of you thought about this. Thank you for your input.

Jehovahs witness do not take on the trinity doctrine because it is not a bible teaching , and we believe that Jesus is Gods only-begotten son . but we do not belief that Jesus is God . the most high is Jehovah psalm 83;18

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,

You alone are the Most High over all the earth........................ Jesus plays a very big part in the outworking of Gods purpose for the earth . and it is vital that we take in knowledge about Jehovah God and about Jesus christ jOHN 17;3
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Yes Man

A while ago, I was reading something on the Jehovah's Witnesses and I found out that they do not worship Jesus. They believe that God should only be worshipped. People who believe in the Trinity of Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit probably worship Jesus. However what of people who do not believe in the Trinity? I was wondering about how some of you thought about this. Thank you for your input.

I don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, but I do believe in a Godhead comprised of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. I believe them to be physically distinct from one another, but "one" in every other conceivable way. I do worship Jesus Christ.

[xexon]

The answer to the question is NO.

Jesus was a human. Who had merged himself into the absolute.

He tried to tell people, in simple terms, how to do this themselves.

Religion, well meaning that it may be, has done nothing but track mud all over the message to the point it is now lost.



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[sojourner]

If worship is to be what it's supposed to be, then yes. Christ should be worshiped. As part of the Trinity, Christ is God, just as the Father is God. Why would we worship one person of God and not another?

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by sojourner

If worship is to be what it's supposed to be, then yes. Christ should be worshiped. As part of the Trinity...

Very unorthodox terminology.

I can't remember the name of that heresy... I'm thinking modalism... anyway, I love to harrass professors and phd students for saying that God has "parts." It can turn an otherwise boring classtime into an uproar.

[Gary Anderson]

If you polk around my website you will see that my natural father was Jewish and I was raised as a gentile. I was adopted at three months.
I believe that Christ is the messiah prophesied in the Old Testament. I believe that he is worthy of worship, that he was subservient to the father only in his earthly form, but that he was not subservient in an eternal sense.
I do not believe that Jesus was begotten in some eternal generation taught by the Augustinians. I believe, however, that Christ was begotten at the ressurrection as Psalm 2:7 is fulfilled in Acts 13:32,33. I believe that the Protestants and Catholics, while not believing in a lesser Christ in the way the JW's do, still made Christ subservient in an eternal begatting that simply is not taught in scripture.
Only the Baptists of the First London Baptist Confession of Faith, 1646, spoke the truth regarding the equality of Christ.

[ἀλήθεια]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Hi, lilithu.

That strikes me as an unusual point of view, coming from a Catholic professor. To me, there is one passage that seems to refute this opinion. It is John 10-17-18. "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father."

It seems to me that in order to have had the power to raise oneself from the dead, Jesus would have had to be divine prior to His death. This passage is implying that Jesus did not have to rely on His Father to resurrect Him, but was able to do that of His own accord.

I find it amazing that so many people who read the Bible don't know that the Triune God raised Christ from the dead:

Acts 10 : 39-40 — God raised Christ from the dead.
1 Thessalonians 1 : 10 — God the Father raised the Son from the dead.
Romans 8 : 11 — God the Spirit raised the Son from the dead.
John 2 : 19-22 — God the Son raised Himself from the dead.

[ἀλήθεια]

Originally Posted by Yes Man

A while ago, I was reading something on the Jehovah's Witnesses and I found out that they do not worship Jesus. They believe that God should only be worshipped. People who believe in the Trinity of Christ, God, and the Holy Spirit probably worship Jesus. However what of people who do not believe in the Trinity? I was wondering about how some of you thought about this. Thank you for your input

Would Jesus have allowed Himself to be worshiped if He were not God?

Remember there is only One God:

Hebrews 1 : 1, 2, 8 — God the Father calls the Son, "God."
Acts 5 : 3-4 --Peter calls the Holy Spirit, "God."
John 6 : 27 --Jesus calls the Father, "God."

An angel would tell a man not to worship him. Jesus would allow a man to worship Him.

Revelation 1 says that Jesus is the first and the last:
17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Isaiah 44 says that God is the first and the last:
6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

[ἀλήθεια]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

Very unorthodox terminology.

I can't remember the name of that heresy... I'm thinking modalism... anyway, I love to harrass professors and phd students for saying that God has "parts." It can turn an otherwise boring classtime into an uproar.

But modalism isn't another term for trinitarianism.