Could Judas really act against GOD's will? (Jesus, crucifixion, myth)

[non-duality]

Judas is one of the persons in the Christianity had to serve at the most as a scapegoat after the mythological persons of the devil as well as Adam and Eva. Judas bears the fault in the eyes of many Christians at the death by crucifixion of Jesus. Incompatible is this view with the passage from the Bible:

Mat 26:53-54: or don't you think my father would immediately send angels to me more than twelve legions if I ask him for this? How were the document after which it must happen so then fulfilled, however?

At the same time this is condemnation, mention a man to a traitor. The principle: "Do not judge so you will not be judged" is injured here clearly. Who of us can "throw the first stone"? Our whole society based on the discrimination other nations. We do a collective betrayal, whether we want to admit this or not.

Has the death by crucifixion of Jesus been avoidable without the "traitor"? Were would the Christianity be today, which is so much based on self-sacrifice and the resurrection? However, we also could imagine a Judas which didn't betray Jesus out of the money's interests.

May be he tried Jesus by force to demonstrate his abilities to make him by that a worldly king as ruler of a state Judea. Then his suicide then makes sense, because about the money had he accomplished his aim but not about regarding the desire of a Judea with Jesus as the king.

What's your opinion?

[chris9178]

Judas was guilty in the sense that he did it, but wan't necessarily the cause of it.It was gong to happen regardless, but it was still betrayal - it was in Judas' heart to do it. I don't believe that he was "set up", or anything, I do believe his blame is justified.

[Feathers in Hair]

This is one conundrum that I honestly couldn't face.

[djFiddles]

Judas is not "responsible" for Jesus' death. Really look at what happened...

The religious leaders of the time wanted to kill Jesus and get Him "out of the way" so to speak. The only thing Judas did was show them which one was really Jesus (to point Him out in the crowd). I am not in any way nullifying Judas' betrayel of Jesus, but pointing out that the actual crusifixion was out of Judas' hands. If Judas had never betrayed Jesus and brought the enemy to Jesus, someone else would have. The people who wanted to kill Jesus would have found Him eventually.

Does this take blame away from Judas? Absolutely not. Does this make him responsible for Jesus' death? Absolutely not. Did Judas follow God's will? ...Still kinda tricky to understand perhaps, but think of it this way; Judas followed the predictions of God, not the will of God.

[Quoth The Raven]

I think Judas did what it was his destiny to do.Everyone had a part to play, and he played his...to his great detriment.

[non-duality]

Originally Posted by djFiddles

Did Judas follow God's will? ...Still kinda tricky to understand perhaps, but think of it this way; Judas followed the predictions of God, not the will of God.

It’s difficult to differ prediction and will completely. Someone had to act against God’s will to make God’s prediction come true. If God gives a prediction he/she knows it will come true. It is not against God’s will that this predication comes true. But it can just come true against God’s will. So at least it must be God’s will that someone act’s against God’s will. Out of God’s sight it looks like: “My will is that you (or someone else) act against My will.” Here is the dilemma.

[michel]

Originally Posted by non-duality

It’s difficult to differ prediction and will completely. Someone had to act against God’s will to make God’s prediction come true. If God gives a prediction he/she knows it will come true. It is not against God’s will that this predication comes true. But it can just come true against God’s will. So at least it must be God’s will that someone act’s against God’s will. Out of God’s sight it looks like: “My will is that you (or someone else) act against My will.” Here is the dilemma.

Dilemma? more like a mental minefield.

[non-duality]

Hello Michel! Why do you call it a "mental minefield"? Do you think God will punish those who think this thoughts? Than it’s a faith in a God who wants us to remain stupid. What if a teacher would tell you: it’s not good if I tell you the answer to your question. Would you like to be taught by him/her again?