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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Fall.

IV. "YOU DID NOT ABANDON HIM TO THE POWER OF DEATH"

410 After his fall, man was not abandoned by God. On the contrary, God calls him and in a mysterious way heralds the coming victory over evil and his restoration from his fall.304 This passage in Genesis is called the Protoevangelium ("first gospel"): the first announcement of the Messiah and Redeemer, of a battle between the serpent and the Woman, and of the final victory of a descendant of hers.


411 The Christian tradition sees in this passage an announcement of the "New Adam" who, because he "became obedient unto death, even death on a cross", makes amends superabundantly for the disobedience, of Adam.305 Furthermore many Fathers and Doctors of the Church have seen the woman announced in the Protoevangelium as Mary, the mother of Christ, the "new Eve". Mary benefited first of all and uniquely from Christ's victory over sin: she was preserved from all stain of original sin and by a special grace of God committed no sin of any kind during her whole earthly life.306


412 But why did God not prevent the first man from sinning? St. Leo the Great responds, "Christ's inexpressible grace gave us blessings better than those the demon's envy had taken away."307 And St. Thomas Aquinas wrote, "There is nothing to prevent human nature's being raised up to something greater, even after sin; God permits evil in order to draw forth some greater good. Thus St. Paul says, 'Where sin increased, grace abounded all the more'; and the Exsultet sings, 'O happy fault,. . . which gained for us so great a Redeemer!'"308

304 Cf. Gen 3:9,15.
305 Cf. 1 Cor 15:21-22,45; Phil 2:8; Rom 5:19-20.
306 Cf. Pius IX, Ineffabilis Deus: DS 2803; Council of Trent: DS 1573.
307 St. Leo the Great, Sermo 73,4: PL 54,396.
308 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh III,1,3, ad 3; cf. Rom 5:20.
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That was interesting to me. Thanks for posting it. (I've noticed it's so difficult for me to understand the doctrines of other religions in written form. Probably because it usually written in a way that none of us speak. But that's beside the point.)

It saddens me when I hear that other religions decry Adam as a sinful person for his transgression of eating the fruit. I believe Adam was a great man, making a difficult choice in a difficult situation. There's so much we don't know yet. God placed him there, knowing exactly what would happen. God really is in control of this world. His plan is for our benefit.
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That was interesting to me. Thanks for posting it. (I've noticed it's so difficult for me to understand the doctrines of other religions in written form. Probably because it usually written in a way that none of us speak. But that's beside the point.)

It saddens me when I hear that other religions decry Adam as a sinful person for his transgression of eating the fruit. I believe Adam was a great man, making a difficult choice in a difficult situation. There's so much we don't know yet. God placed him there, knowing exactly what would happen. God really is in control of this world. His plan is for our benefit.
I'm glad that you liked the excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I would also like to add that the Eastern Orthodox Church does view Adam/Eve as saints.
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This question "why did god create the world" is the whole reason i sought out this message board today.....
i always thought it was kind of odd that an all powerful god would create people just so we can worship him?
if he could create anything he/she/it wanted...why this place....dontcha think he could have come up with something better???
just asking
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This question "why did god create the world" is the whole reason i sought out this message board today.....
i always thought it was kind of odd that an all powerful god would create people just so we can worship him?
Welcome, daniegrace. You'll find a lot of people here who don't think that's why He created us.
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I always wondered why the earth is here, too. If the ultimate goal is heaven, why not just start there? Why bother with the whole earth with the pain and suffering? I think the LDS viewpoints offers a unique perspective. But I gotta humble myself and realize that we are here on earth and we gotta deal with that fact. Who can know the mind of God? Just follow Him and we'll get through.
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