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Old 01-29-2007, 02:46 PM
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I read the Apostolic Fathers this weekend as translated by Michael Holmes (a revision of Lightfoot). You'll be happy to know that I've ordered both Ehrman and Lake's text and translation in the Loeb series.

Anyhew, I strongly encourage everyone interested in Christianity to read Holmes' translation as it is very good with an excellent bibliography. Unlike Holmes, I think that Lightfoot is pretty much infalliable.

I will try and make some notes on my reading...
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:01 PM
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I read the Apostolic Fathers this weekend as translated by Michael Holmes (a revision of Lightfoot). You'll be happy to know that I've ordered both Ehrman and Lake's text and translation in the Loeb series.

Anyhew, I strongly encourage everyone interested in Christianity to read Holmes' translation as it is very good with an excellent bibliography. Unlike Holmes, I think that Lightfoot is pretty much infalliable.

I will try and make some notes on my reading...
If lightfoot is infalliable why would you read a revision of his work by someone you hold to lower esteem?
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Old 01-29-2007, 03:02 PM
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If lightfoot is infalliable why would you read a revision of his work by someone you hold to lower esteem?
Every book that I read is by someone of lower esteem.
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It's good to read Holmes because it is a revised edition of Lightfoot with modern bibliography. It's quite good.
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Seriously,

It's good to read Holmes because it is a revised edition of Lightfoot with modern bibliography. It's quite good.
I was just yanking your chain AE.

I think I've asked you before about good books for us non-scholars to read for Christian history and the Church Fathers. Is this one you'd recommend?
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Not all the volumes is it? That is alot of reading...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/index.htm
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I was just yanking your chain AE.

I think I've asked you before about good books for us non-scholars to read for Christian history and the Church Fathers. Is this one you'd recommend?
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Yes.
Thanks! So, from Victor's comment I'm starting to think that it's several volumes long...

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Not all the volumes is it? That is alot of reading...

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/ecf/index.htm
Yes... these are the entire collection of church fathers, and quite a bit more than the Apostolic Fathers. I've read about half of the entire collection.

In this series, the Apostolic Fathers are the first two volumes (sans Justin Martyr).

This series is translated into english in the late 19th century. Holmes is translated in the 21st century. Quite a difference in both scholarship and English readability.

And Holmes is only one volume... 600 pages with Greek and English. If you just read the English, it's only 300 pages. I read it in about three hours.
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Yes... these are the entire collection of church fathers, and quite a bit more than the Apostolic Fathers. I've read about half of the entire collection.

In this series, the Apostolic Fathers are the first two volumes (sans Justin Martyr).

This series is translated into english in the late 19th century. Holmes is translated in the 21st century. Quite a difference in both scholarship and English readability.
That sounds like a good book to have.
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