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Old 06-13-2006, 04:48 PM
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1Pe 1:12 "To whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto you, did they minister these things, which now have been announced unto you through them that preached the gospel unto you by the Holy Spirit sent forth from heaven; which things angel desire to look into."

But does spiritually inspired mean perfection?
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Can the Bible really remain unchanged since it was first formed?
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Old 06-13-2006, 05:27 PM
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The Bible has not remained unchanged since it was first formed. The Roman Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant denonminations use different formats (ie different make up of books) as well as different translations.

Protestant Bibles contained certain deutrocanonical books until the 1820s.
Roman Catholics recognise seven deutrocanonical books (Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, and Baruch) to be part of the Bible
Some Orthodox Churchs include 3 Maccabees, Psalm 151, 1 Esdras, Odes, Psalms of Solomon, and occasionally 4 Maccabees.

This means that most Protestant divisions have a Bible containing 39 OT books whilst Roman Catholics have an OT of 46 books.

The NT of 27 generally remains fixed, however.

All information taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bib..._Old_Testament
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuterocanonical_books
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I am grateful that the Bible has changed with the times. I'm talking about modern translations that make it easier for us to understand. The KJV never really spoke to me, but I love the NIV.

I'm just glad to enjoy it again. Back when I thought of myself as a Christian Wiccan I didn't have much use for it. I finally came to the conclusion that I was just a backslidden Christian that needed to confess my sins and get right with God. Please don't think I'm trying to judge or condemn you, Fluffy, but God does not approve of witchcraft in any form. God bless.
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1Pe 1:12 "To whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto you, did they minister these things, which now have been announced unto you through them that preached the gospel unto you by the Holy Spirit sent forth from heaven; which things angel desire to look into."

But does spiritually inspired mean perfection?
No. It's a human document. Therefore, it's as fallible as the humans that wrote it.

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Can the Bible really remain unchanged since it was first formed?
No. It's a human document. Therefore, it has changed as humanity has changed.
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Some Orthodox Churchs include 3 Maccabees, Psalm 151, 1 Esdras, Odes, Psalms of Solomon, and occasionally 4 Maccabees.
The Orthodox Church (the local churches are not separate churches at all) all have the same canon. You are correct that it is longer than the RC one because we use the entire Septuagint. 4 Maccabees, along with the Prayer of Manessah, are always in the canon, usually as an appendix. You can find a grid showing the different OT canons here:

http://www.geocities.com/trvalentine...x/otbooks.html

One local church in the Oriental Orthodox communion (that is a seperate church), the Ethiopian, has a different OT canon to the rest (the others use the same one we do) and in addition they have a broad canon which includes extra NT books.

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But does spiritually inspired mean perfection?
In Christian theology, there is only room for one perfect one: God. God can't be mediated through any media perfectly except God: Jesus Christ, the Word of God.

The Bible records - hopefully as it claims - the words of God, which are not God Godself. If the Bible were perfect, it would be God and worthy of worship.
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Can the Bible really remain unchanged since it was first formed?
We have proof that it was changed. If you PM me your email address, I can send you a picture of ancient papyrus copies of the Bible that have words scratched out and replaced with other words and sentences.
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I believe that the Bible contains within it all the guidance needed for salvation. However, the answer is not always obvious or explicit. The Bible is a teacher, not a textbook.
I disagree...The Bible can be looked at as both. A textbook, that teaches an individual how to attain salvation, and live a life worth living. Because after all...it is a history book.
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