why doctors? (ritual, reject, Earth, choice, Isaiah)

[may]

when God heals peoples illnesses it will be all people , but that is for a future time , we are left to our own ways now, Jesus showed on a small scale when he was on the earth , how easy it will be to heal people , now that is something to look foreward too. Jesus will heal people on a worldwide basis ,and the power will come from His father Jehovah.For now, the wise person will obey the laws of God. He will attempt to maintain his health. But he knows that in the last analysis the sure end of ailments will come from God in his new system of things.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by may

when God heals peoples illnesses it will be all people , but that is for a future time ,

so God doesn't heal presently?

Originally Posted by may

we are left to our own ways now, Jesus showed on a small scale when he was on the earth , how easy it will be to heal people , now that is something to look foreward too. Jesus will heal people on a worldwide basis ,and the power will come from His father Jehovah.

okay, but how does this have to do with doctors?

Originally Posted by may

For now, the wise person will obey the laws of God. He will attempt to maintain his health. But he knows that in the last analysis the sure end of ailments will come from God in his new system of things.

...so, as Christians, we should accept or reject doctoral practices?

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by CaptainXeroid

Aha! Here's the foundation for your thought process
I know thousands of Christians, and I cannot name a single one I personally know who holds this view. I guess for people who do, going to the doctor would be against their religion, but it's not anything to which I can relate.

Well, you have to understand that the Christian school I go to claims that dinosaurs never existed... so it's all a bit extreme. I'm sorry for generalizing Christians by this standard.

Originally Posted by cap'n

I do understand the confusion if people are telling you they think science is 'evil' then they seek the counsel and services of people who have dedicated their lives to the study and practice of things scientific. At that point, they would appear to be hypocrites, and as you may recall from other posts, I do not take use of that word lightly.

Originally Posted by cap'n

As for abortions, there are some OB-GYNs who will not perform the procedure due to religious objections. There are others who may not approve, but will do so because they have weighed the pros and cons and decided that abortion is the 'lesser' of two 'evils'.

Thank you for clearing this up *smiles*

Originally Posted by cap'n

Two of the most faithful members in our church are doctors. He is a renowned heart surgeon, and she is a psychiatrist, and they shared their challenge balancing faith and work.

Originally Posted by cap'n

They and all doctors are bound by the Hippocratic Oath, and as I read it to refresh my memory, I see quite a few similarities to an oath many graduating seminary students take before entering their ministries.

*nods* I remember learning about this in my Bible class when they were discussing euthenasia.... but I'll save that topic for another thread *smiles*

Originally Posted by cap'n X

OK...to wrap up...and my brain is hurting for this early on a Monday......I don't claim to speak for all Christians, but I don't view going to the doctor as 'not relying on God'. Since I believe God created the doctor and gave him the aptitude to learn his trade, in fact, I believe engaging his services IS part of God's plan for me.

Okay, I'll take this answer *smiles*

Originally Posted by bearer of all things yummy

As promised. I hope they are to your liking.

Originally Posted by bearer of all things yummy

ooooooh, you know how to please a panda!!

[michel]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

Well, your considerations aside, what is the Christian view on science in general?

Are the evil scientists attempting to lead you away from god? ..... and yet.... did god put them on this earth so they could carry out his will?

.....and who are you to answer these questions?

Silly!

As a Christian, I am interested in science; being unintelligent, I can't understand it.......when people start talking about black holes and string theory, I go cross-eyed. But that doesn't mean to say I am not a good Christian (IMO). I don't believe in a young Earth, I do believe in Evolution, I do believe that God somehow sparked the soul into being, gave us the world to play with, and to get on with.

It always comes down to that one point of our existance; - we have choice. God must know (even have known) man's potential. He would be fully aware that we would be inventing surgical procedures to mess with nature (grafting ears on mice etc), but he still is giving us the choice of using medicine in a 'good' way, or a 'bad' way.

Of course we need doctors (I more than most! ), but I don't believe it is impossible for man to evolve to the stage where he will heal by God's love alone............we may still be a million miles away from that, because we are so keen on focussing on the material.........that is all that life teaches us about - materialism; maybe one day, we will try to develop our 'Godly' abilities, but until that day, we're stuck with doctors, God bless 'em.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by michel

Silly!

As a Christian, I am interested in science; being unintelligent, I can't understand it.......when people start talking about black holes and string theory, I go cross-eyed. But that doesn't mean to say I am not a good Christian (IMO). I don't believe in a young Earth, I do believe in Evolution, I do believe that God somehow sparked the soul into being, gave us the world to play with, and to get on with.

It always comes down to that one point of our existance; - we have choice. God must know (even have known) man's potential. He would be fully aware that we would be inventing surgical procedures to mess with nature (grafting ears on mice etc), but he still is giving us the choice of using medicine in a 'good' way, or a 'bad' way.

Of course we need doctors (I more than most! ), but I don't believe it is impossible for man to evolve to the stage where he will heal by God's love alone............we may still be a million miles away from that, because we are so keen on focussing on the material.........that is all that life teaches us about - materialism; maybe one day, we will try to develop our 'Godly' abilities, but until that day, we're stuck with doctors, God bless 'em.

*hugs* thank you for that Michel. I agree

[may]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

so God doesn't heal presently?

okay, but how does this have to do with doctors?

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...so, as Christians, we should accept or reject doctoral practices?

as far as i am concerned there is nothing wrong with seeing a doctor , and accepting treatment, as long as that treatment does not go against what God says is wrong , and christians would know what the bible says is wrong. sometimes we get better sometimes we dont . thats just the way it is at this point in time ,

[Defij]

I just wanted to chime in here and say that not all Christians are like you presuppose we are Buttons. Actually, the majority are not as you have described. We don't "hate" science and medicine and critical thinking..haha! The people who do believe this are a very VERY small minority, however, just like anything else that is outrageous, it gets all the publicity. How many kids school and kill other kids in this country? A very VERY small minority. But what do you see on the news every night? The MILLIONS of good kids who are doing positive things in their communities, or the few bad apples that go on shooting rampages? Same concept here with Christians that believe Science and criticism are some anti-Christian conspiracies.

As far as the substance of your post is concerned, from what I gathered anyways, when the Bible talks about God and/or Jesus as being a "great physician" it is very safe to say that the meaning of that is not literal, as in Jesus is our physical doctor. It is more to show that God is a "spiritual doctor" who heals our spiritual side, not our physical side. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a doctor. In fact Luke, one of the writers of a few books of the New Testament was himself a doctor. So yeah, I hope that helps a bit.

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by may

.... as long as that treatment does not go against what God says is wrong , and christians would know what the bible says is wrong.

Can you quote it scripturally?

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by Defij

[color=black]I just wanted to chime in here and say that not all Christians are like you presuppose we are Buttons.

*giggles* Yes, i know. I used to be Christian

Originally Posted by Defij

Actually, the majority are not as you have described. We don't "hate" science and medicine and critical thinking..haha! The people who do believe this are a very VERY small minority, however, just like anything else that is outrageous, it gets all the publicity.

It's not just publicity, its an aspect that's being taught at my school! I go to a private christian school... and most of what they teach, imo, is crap. But if anyone actually believes like they do, I'd like to smack them up the head and say... "how does that make ANY sense?" *shrugs* Anyway, I do realize that the majority of Christians in the world aren't this anal. This question was more directed at those who do have a rather large stick up their butts. *smiles*

Originally Posted by D

As far as the substance of your post is concerned, from what I gathered anyways, when the Bible talks about God and/or Jesus as being a "great physician" it is very safe to say that the meaning of that is not literal, as in Jesus is our physical doctor. It is more to show that God is a "spiritual doctor" who heals our spiritual side, not our physical side. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a doctor.

Jesus is not God. Yeshua is the son of God. Yet, he is part of the trinity, and NOT the father. I'm not talking of Yeshua's miracles, I'm JUST discussing OT God.

In fact Luke, one of the writers of a few books of the New Testament was himself a doctor. So yeah, I hope that helps a bit.

*giggles* I know who Luke is

Did Luke ever meet Yeshua? (no)

Let's stick to the OT. Think of Job.

[I Panicked! At the Disco]

Well, your considerations aside, what is the Christian view on science in general?

Well, I don't know about the "general Christian view" but my view is that science is good, It is very helpful in finding cures for diseases, as well as making possible websites such as Religious Forums.

.....and who are you to answer these questions?

Ummm...well, you did post the thread. I don't know what you were expecting besides answers to questions.