Works and Faith (contradiction, beliefs, follower, hell, Holy Spirit)

[Buttons*]

I dont know everything... infact I hardly know anything!

I heard, (gossip sucks) that some sects of Christianity only believe that one can attain heaven through faith alone. I heard that others believe the only way to get to heaven is works. (to this day no one has specified what "works" means, so im getting frustrated hearing that phrase) I was wondering which sects believe in Faith alone, or Works alone, or which faiths enforce both, perhaps none?

I'm going to assume "works" means charity, evangalism, caring acts. I also wonder why its so bad to do works for faith? I mean... you can have faith, and you can do works, but if they're all for the glory of the one you believe in, why is it bad either way? The bible has MANY examples of faith being the most important thing, and works being the most important. (needless to say the bible, and other books, is full of contradiction on those two subjects) So i'd like to have yall's opinion... do share *smiles*

[Pardus]

I can't help much but to throw 2cents in.

If being a good person but not following a particular religion means i don't get to go to whichever afterlife turns out to be true (tho i don't even believe such a thing exists), i would rather burn in hell.

[jeffrey]

Faith, to me is the important thing. It's what's in your heart. Some religions believe it's works, but work without faith is meaningless.

To Deny God and the Holy spirit is to deny your Intelligence and that of life. People have unfortunately got lost through the centurys due to the satanic form of manipulation. Greed has overtaking the realisation of existence and its beauty for the good majority.No ones fault except a few naughty individuals. But their are good people (Of God)in high places working hard to liberate the Intelligence of life from its suffering as we communicate through this forum with each other

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by jgallandt

Faith, to me is the important thing. It's what's in your heart. Some religions believe it's works, but work without faith is meaningless.

I hear that all the time, pretend im stupid (not hard to imagine, eh?) and explain "works" to me, as well as what having faith entails... if you would be so kind

From a personal point of view you cant have total love without faith, then works comes naturaly.

[michel]

Originally Posted by gnosis_777

I dont know everything... infact I hardly know anything!

I heard, (gossip sucks) that some sects of Christianity only believe that one can attain heaven through faith alone. I heard that others believe the only way to get to heaven is works. (to this day no one has specified what "works" means, so im getting frustrated hearing that phrase) I was wondering which sects believe in Faith alone, or Works alone, or which faiths enforce both, perhaps none?

I'm going to assume "works" means charity, evangalism, caring acts. I also wonder why its so bad to do works for faith? I mean... you can have faith, and you can do works, but if they're all for the glory of the one you believe in, why is it bad either way? The bible has MANY examples of faith being the most important thing, and works being the most important. (needless to say the bible, and other books, is full of contradiction on those two subjects) So i'd like to have yall's opinion... do share *smiles*

Much like you,

I hardly know anything!

The first time I looked properly at the Bible was last september (2004) when i joined the forum. Having a headful of sawdust, what goes in just gets bogged down in the dust.........

As a "Follower of Christ" as I style myself (because I am not totally committed to all Christian beliefs, and some of the judgemental beliefs about certain groups of people make me feel like distancing myself from the religion), I go on "Faith" pretty much as the impetus to help me do good deeds (or works, if you like).

Works, deeds; I am sure the two are the same. Live as much like you think Christ would have (and you won't get witin a mile, none of us can, because we are only human), and with your faith to keep you warm, to me, that is all you need.....well, nearly all.........

[jeffrey]

^What he said!

[Buttons*]

I heard that Mormons believe that only works can save them. Of course this is an ignorant statement, but i'd still like to have the truth about the whole thing...

Why would one do works if not inspired by faith though?

[nutshell]

Originally Posted by gnosis_777

I heard that Mormons believe that only works can save them. Of course this is an ignorant statement, but i'd still like to have the truth about the whole thing...

Why would one do works if not inspired by faith though?

I would say faith is the most important, however, when you have faith the natural progression is to do works. Indeed, we believe baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost are essential for salvation. Christ set the perfect example by being baptized himself and he taught that we should do all that we saw him do.

There is also scriptural reference that says faith if it hath not works is dead.

In the end, however, we all fall short and it is only through the grace of Christ that we will be made pure so that we may live with the Father in Heaven again.