Luke-warm Christian? (tradition, creation, attend, America, preaching)

fromthe heart · #1 10-11-2005, 09:54 AM

I've noticed some big changes in attitude these days and that some Christians are becoming luke-warm. Changes in Bible texts to make text easier to read is in MPO a wrong in what we as Christians should do. Eventually the text will become so unlike scripture to 'suit' the readers request. Plus having the different services some churches have such as one of my family members attend. They have an old time Bible preaching service then they have the more contemporary service with the up beat music. then they have the one that has the teen style beat. So therefore just what do you see is a luke-warm Christian?

Personally I don't feel a true Christian would chose to have the scriptures changed...or that they would allow for some of what is accepted in some of todays churches given how scriptures says a Christian is to be...I would like some in-put from you all on this since I personally have a luke-warm Christian in my family and the differences are very apparent. Church going on Sunday unless the Steelers are playing a home game then it's off to Pittsburgh to the game...shouldn't we bide by the real facts of the Bible and ACT more like Christians should than having so many differences?

I don't say all this to get those of you who don't use KJV angry...it's more to get you to take a look at what you really see as a strong Christian...I personally don't care what version of the Bible you read but have noticed many ministers are making it quite an issue around here.

Thank you in advance.

michel · #2 10-11-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fromthe heart

I've noticed some big changes in attitude these days and that some Christians are becoming luke-warm. Changes in Bible texts to make text easier to read is in MPO a wrong in what we as Christians should do. Eventually the text will become so unlike scripture to 'suit' the readers request. Plus having the different services some churches have such as one of my family members attend. They have an old time Bible preaching service then they have the more contemporary service with the up beat music. then they have the one that has the teen style beat. So therefore just what do you see is a luke-warm Christian?

Personally I don't feel a true Christian would chose to have the scriptures changed...or that they would allow for some of what is accepted in some of todays churches given how scriptures says a Christian is to be...I would like some in-put from you all on this since I personally have a luke-warm Christian in my family and the differences are very apparent. Church going on Sunday unless the Steelers are playing a home game then it's off to Pittsburgh to the game...shouldn't we bide by the real facts of the Bible and ACT more like Christians should than having so many differences?

I don't say all this to get those of you who don't use KJV angry...it's more to get you to take a look at what you really see as a strong Christian...I personally don't care what version of the Bible you read but have noticed many ministers are making it quite an issue around here.

Thank you in advance.

Good point Fromthe heart - but I would still advocate that a luke warm Christian is better than no Christian at all.

I agree with some of what you say; somehow chrome and aluminium have no place in Churches, and I am even slightly put off by the Microphone on the lectern.......

Traditions are the essence of Religion - I agree; to dilute then and miss a Sunday doesn't say much for the regard for God; although I have missed Sundays before now (for some reason or other -not one of pleasure). If I do, I devote another day to God......

glasgowchick · #3 10-11-2005, 11:20 AM

Hi From the heart, our church did a sermon on something simular to your question, it was basically " are you a Sunday Christian " then live your life the way one wants the rest of the week..Has one got to the stage were doing other things start to seem more attractive than going to church. I think we all got to be careful and not become too lazy..Have we lost our zeal for God. Thankyou for the food for thought..

michel · #4 10-11-2005, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by glasgowchick

Hi From the heart, our church did a sermon on something simular to your question, it was basically " are you a Sunday Christian " then live your life the way one wants the rest of the week..Has one got to the stage were doing other things start to seem more attractive than going to church. I think we all got to be careful and not become too lazy..Have we lost our zeal for God. Thankyou for the food for thought..

Oh yes, Jackie, the 'Sunday Christian'; what a good description.

More often than not, I have this image of a wonderfully pious Lady (and that isn't sexism) and her friend, going into Church. On the way out, she is heard talking to her friend about the way 'so and so' dresses, ooooh, and you'll never guess what mrs smith hung on her washing line the other day........................... I get this wonderful image of les Dawson (I am sorry, you Americans), playing the part so well.

SoyLeche · #5 10-11-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

Good point Fromthe heart - but I would still advocate that a luke warm Christian is better than no Christian at all.

I'm not sure the Lord would fully agree with you ---

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Originally Posted by Revelation

Revelation 3:14-16 14"To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:
These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation. 15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

michel · #6 10-11-2005, 02:56 PM

Defenders notes re Revelation 3:14-16 "Note that Christ would prefer not only a hot church like Philadelphia but also a cold church like Sardis to a lukewarm, neutral, accommodationist, comfortable church like Laodicea. At least Sardis was not harming anyone because it was not influencing anyone."

I think God would still prefer someone to be half good than all bad; don't you ?

SoyLeche · #7 10-11-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

Defenders notes re Revelation 3:14-16 "Note that Christ would prefer not only a hot church like Philadelphia but also a cold church like Sardis to a lukewarm, neutral, accommodationist, comfortable church like Laodicea. At least Sardis was not harming anyone because it was not influencing anyone."

I think God would still prefer someone to be half good than all bad; don't you ?

I would agree with you on the individual level. I just thought I'd throw it out there for discussion.

SoyLeche · #8 10-11-2005, 03:40 PM

I do have to say, however, that I believe that a large part of Christianity is change. Changing your behavior to be more in line with the will of God. Therefore, any organization that panders to the lifestyle that a person currently has, and doesn't inspire/expect a change from its members isn't doing anybody much good in the end.

glasgowchick · #9 10-11-2005, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by michel

Oh yes, Jackie, the 'Sunday Christian'; what a good description.

More often than not, I have this image of a wonderfully pious Lady (and that isn't sexism) and her friend, going into Church. On the way out, she is heard talking to her friend about the way 'so and so' dresses, ooooh, and you'll never guess what mrs smith hung on her washing line the other day........................... I get this wonderful image of les Dawson (I am sorry, you Americans), playing the part so well.

Hi Michel, I hear ya and know exactly what your talking about, Its sad but it does happen..Les Dawson what was the other one that played the gossip with him ? OH I can see his face lol!!!!!!!! But yes I get the picture..