Did Jesus abolish the law? (Jesus Christ, Earth, gospel, Kingdom)

[Natural Submission]

Could the Christians of this site please provide from the verses of the Bible why you claim Jesus DID abolish the law outside of the context of crucifixtion. Thank you.

[Scuba Pete]

Abolish or fulfill?

Jesus fulfilled the law and so in reality "abolished" it.

The Old Testament was a perfect contract. Just like a mortgage is a contract, it had certain obligations to be met. Jesus met those obligations and completely fulfilled ALL of the requirements. So just like a mortgage, it became "useless" except as an historical piece. The book of Romans REALLY brings this home, especially chapters 2-10. Galations 3,4 & 5 are a good study as well.

Galations 3:23 Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24 So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. 26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[wellmanj]

Interesting. I agree Jesus "fulfilled" the requirements of the law, but to say He "abolished" the law itself is something totally different.

[Lostinthisworld]

Are you saying the law is paid in full ?
So we can say, do and act like swine and still get into heaven as long as we have faith.
If so, wont this world go into a downward sprial ?

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Lostinthisworld

Are you saying the law is paid in full ?

So we can say, do and act like swine and still get into heaven as long as we have faith.

If so, wont this world go into a downward sprial ?

These verse's may help.

This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished– he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3:22-26

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God– not by works, so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. Colossians 2:13-14

So yes when you stand befor God if you are a real christian then your righteousness comes from God through Jesus because your sins are no longer counted against you, they have been paid for the law is satisfied.
Having said that though, just because you one day say yeah why not, Jesus can be my "insurance", dosnt make you a Christian, God knows our heart if you truly do belive then you will put your trust in Jesus and the rest of your life should be lived out of thankfulness to God.

So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness. Colossians 2:6-7

If you truly understand and belive that you have been saved from hell thanks to what Jesus willingly went through then as you grow in Christ you too will hate sin more and more. Afterall if you are a true christian you recognise that its your own sin that made it nessasary for Jesus to go through what he did.
If someone calls themselves a christian but lives the rest of their lives without change (saying, doing and acting like swine as you put it) then i doubt they have really grabbed hold of the gospel in its intirety. They have an unrepentent heart and havnt been born again.
They dont care about sin even though they say they follow Jesus.

Like i said God knows our hearts and if we are truly greatful, he knows what we belive and worship deep down.
"You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men." Matthew 15:7-9

[Seyorni]

Why, then, is the Old Testament included in the Holy Bible? Is it just a rather long historical preface?

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Why, then, is the Old Testament included in the Holy Bible? Is it just a rather long historical preface?

I was taught that the OT was included because it was a history of God's interaction with his people but that we were to following the teachings of Christ. However, I have always been a bit confused about this since the following verses say differently:

Matthew 5:17-19
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Why does He say "till all be fulfilled" when, by His own words, He *is* the fulfillment?

[Scuba Pete]

Melody...

read the first verse again. (Excellent passage for this, BTW).

Lostinthisworld...

No, -I- am not saying it. The scriptures are saying this.

The Mosaical law has been completely fulfilled. It was carved on tablets of stone.

The law of grace has since replaced it. It is carved on tablets of human hearts.

II COrinthians 3:1 Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everybody. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 4 Such confidence as this is ours through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

As for sin:

Romans 6: 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 5 If we have been united with him like this in his death, we will certainly also be united with him in his resurrection. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin-- 7 because anyone who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

The Mosaical law dealt with mere actions. The Law of Grace deals with the root of the problem: the heart.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Why, then, is the Old Testament included in the Holy Bible? Is it just a rather long historical preface?

It reveals God and history.
The Old Testament actually blends very well with the new for eg, in the old it shows how only unblemished animals sacrifice were offered to the Lord as a foreshadow of what was to come, Jesus the unblemished lamb of God.
Its full of prophecy about the coming of Jesus, one of my favs is

Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:4-6

Written well befor Jesus was born.

Its also full of wisdom, books such as proverbs are quite interesting.
Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death. Prov 11:4

[Seyorni]

So we can ignore the OT prohibitions on diet, homosexuality, depicture, &c?