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Old 06-02-2008, 06:25 PM
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Dune, have you given thought to attending some RCIA classes? They give a great explanation of why we believe what we believe and there is no pressure to convert (at least there wasn't in my wife's class).
I haven't, not because I'm opposed to the idea but because my schedule is such that I can't commit to it to do the process justice. That's part of the reason I've decided to make all your lives miserable by plodding my way through the catechism this way. If any of you think that this process is inappropriate, I'd be happy to desist. Just let me know.
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If any of you think that this process is inappropriate, I'd be happy to desist. Just let me know.
I don't ... just as long as you don't mind my proddings... I've been teaching RCIA for two years now, so I pray you're in good hands.
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Old 06-02-2008, 06:56 PM
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I don't ... just as long as you don't mind my proddings... I've been teaching RCIA for two years now, so I pray you're in good hands.
Heh. Well, I take it that we both have submitted to a greater Teacher, and I'm persuaded he won't let either of us down.
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Time for the next section?
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Old 06-02-2008, 09:26 PM
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Time for the next section?
Prolly get to it tomorrow.
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I haven't, not because I'm opposed to the idea but because my schedule is such that I can't commit to it to do the process justice. That's part of the reason I've decided to make all your lives miserable by plodding my way through the catechism this way. If any of you think that this process is inappropriate, I'd be happy to desist. Just let me know.
No, I don't mind at all. Just sometimes personal one on one instruction could be more beneficial.
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III. THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD ACCORDING TO THE CHURCH

36 "Our holy mother, the Church, holds and teaches that God, the first principle and last end of all things, can be known with certainty from the created world by the natural light of human reason."11 Without this capacity, man would not be able to welcome God's revelation. Man has this capacity because he is created "in the image of God". (Cf Genesis 1:27)

37 In the historical conditions in which he finds himself, however, man experiences many difficulties in coming to know God by the light of reason alone:

Though human reason is, strictly speaking, truly capable by its own natural power and light of attaining to a true and certain knowledge of the one personal God, who watches over and controls the world by his providence, and of the natural law written in our hearts by the Creator; yet there are many obstacles which prevent reason from the effective and fruitful use of this inborn faculty. For the truths that concern the relations between God and man wholly transcend the visible order of things, and, if they are translated into human action and influence it, they call for self-surrender and abnegation. The human mind, in its turn, is hampered in the attaining of such truths, not only by the impact of the senses and the imagination, but also by disordered appetites which are the consequences of original sin. So it happens that men in such matters easily persuade themselves that what they would not like to be true is false or at least doubtful. (Pius XIII, Humani generis, 561: DS 2875)

38 This is why man stands in need of being enlightened by God's revelation, not only about those things that exceed his understanding, but also "about those religious and moral truths which of themselves are not beyond the grasp of human reason, so that even in the present condition of the human race, they can be known by all men with ease, with firm certainty and with no admixture of error".(Cf. St. Thomas, STh I,1,1)
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37 In the historical conditions in which he finds himself, however, man experiences many difficulties in coming to know God by the light of reason alone:
This section has allayed some of my concerns about the previous section. So props to those who have rightly pointed that out. But I wonder what kind of knowledge of God the catechism has in mind. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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