Tridentine Latin Mass Questions (priest, tradition, America, church, Jerusalem)

[Te Deum]

I am a Roman Catholic seminarian that is strongly attracted to the Tridentine Latin Mass. I am still discerning a possible vocation with either the Priestly Fratnerity of St. Peter (FSSP) or the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). If you have any questions on the Tridentine Latin Mass, please do not hesitate to email me and/or PM me. I have the rubrics for the Mass and one day I hope to exclusively celebrate the Tridentine Latin Mass as opposed to the Novus Ordo Mass.

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by Te Deum

I am a Roman Catholic seminarian that is strongly attracted to the Tridentine Latin Mass. I am still discerning a possible vocation with either the Priestly Fratnerity of St. Peter (FSSP) or the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX). If you have any questions on the Tridentine Latin Mass, please do not hesitate to email me and/or PM me. I have the rubrics for the Mass and one day I hope to exclusively celebrate the Tridentine Latin Mass as opposed to the Novus Ordo Mass.

Join the FSSP. Do not join the SSPX.

[Te Deum]

Originally Posted by athanasius

Join the FSSP. Do not join the SSPX.

I will have to pray on this - it will take time, but I do not believe that the SSPX is in schism either.

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by Te Deum

I will have to pray on this - it will take time, but I do not believe that the SSPX is in schism either.

OH my!

[athanasius]

Why not join a orthodox Catholic priestly group that promotes the Tridentine Mass like the "Canons regular of the New Jerusalem"

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[jolakoturinn]

Originally Posted by athanasius

Why not join a orthodox Catholic priestly group that promotes the Tridentine Mass like the "Canons regular of the New Jerusalem"

I have a friend who goes to a church run by the Canons Regular of St John Cantius. I think they're the same kind of group? Very big on orthodox masses, done correctly according to the rubrics, Latin and English novus ordo, and also Traditional Latin Mass.

If I lived in America, I know I would go and join them in a shot.

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by jolakoturinn

I have a friend who goes to a church run by the Canons Regular of St John Cantius. I think they're the same kind of group? Very big on orthodox masses, done correctly according to the rubrics, Latin and English novus ordo, and also Traditional Latin Mass.

If I lived in America, I know I would go and join them in a shot.

Amen! And there Vatican approved unlike the Sspx!

[jolakoturinn]

Originally Posted by athanasius

Amen! And there Vatican approved unlike the Sspx!

Yeah, but there's no CRSJC here. Instead I have the conundrum of trying to work out whether it's better to go with the FSSP (and learn theology in German!?) or with the Diocese and go to Rome. (I have until September to try and discern that.)

Besides, I do think what Te Deum posted here is often overlooked. I, from the evidence presented, share the view that the SSPX are not in schism, though I would not attend their Masses--not because of their canonical position (or not), but rather because of some of the vitriolic remarks they have made against the Church at times.

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by jolakoturinn

Yeah, but there's no CRSJC here. Instead I have the conundrum of trying to work out whether it's better to go with the FSSP (and learn theology in German!?) or with the Diocese and go to Rome. (I have until September to try and discern that.)

Besides, I do think what Te Deum posted here is often overlooked. I, from the evidence presented, share the view that the SSPX are not in schism, though I would not attend their Masses--not because of their canonical position (or not), but rather because of some of the vitriolic remarks they have made against the Church at times.

No offense but if your truly Catholic that makes no sense to deny the Vatican's declaration on this. Many schisms like the Orthodox and others(St Stanislaus where I live) also claim they are not in schism but rather are the real Catholics. I do nto trust the SSPX website or scholars. Why trust anybody but the Vatican afer all the Magisterium can make doctrinal and pastoral descisions by the power of the Holy spirit? Levebre was in schism and the vatican knew it. So I would question your fidelity to the Catholic Church and her magisterium if you continue to beleive such things.

[Te Deum]

We are rational people and, after examining the issues in Canon law, it is clear that SSPX is not in schism. They are an option just like FSSP, Canon Regulars of the New Jerusalem, Canon Regulars of St. John Cantius, Institute of Christ the King, etc.

There is an order of "ranking" in papal documents. An Apostolic Constitution and a Bull carries more weight than an Encyclical, which in turn carries more weight than a Motu Proprio, Allocution, etc.

Pope St. Pius V's Quo Primum is an Apostolic Constitution, and so are Popes Pius IX and XII on the Dogmas of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of the BVM into Heaven. These are infallible.

Bulls are usually reserved for excommunications and interdicts. See the Bulls of Excommunication on Luther and Elizabeth I.

An Encyclical can be infallible if the words "It is Our will, therefore, and by the same authority, We decree that ... " or "It is forbidden to ... change ... our declaration, pronouncement, and definition or, by rash attempt, to oppose and counter it. If any man should presume to make such an attempt, let him know that he will incur the wrath of Almighty God and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Pau" or if it "confirms the brethren" (Luke 22:32), or like words.

Pope St. Pius X's Encyclical Pacendi Gregis Dominici (On Modernism) is infallible. But Pope John Paul ll's encyclical that mentions SSPX is not infallible because such words are not included. I have indeed read up extensively on this issue and I must declare that SSPX is not in schism. Please let's not argue about it; read this: Q. 12:* Isn't the SSPX schismatic?