Have You Any Question (Satan, Zen)

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Reading & understanding is all at the mind stage and from there it is a quantum jump to the other pole of no-mind.

In a way so we are both mind and no mind ? Inherently dualistic but still one ?

[zenzero]

Friend YmirGF,
There are few who are already enlightened [like you] and needs no guidance from laymen like me.
I had mentioned before in one of my posts that am trying to practice awareness in sleep and am yet far off the mark forget about being aware in dreams.
Astral travel OBE are still areas to cover in time and space and which I have in unlimited abundance so for the moment live this moment when the next moment comes; will see to that.
love & Rgds

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by zenzero

Duality is like eg a magnet. A Magnet has two poles, One cannot have a magnet with one pole. Cut the magnet into two thinking that the north will be in one half and the south pole on the other half. It never happens. You have again both the poles on two pieces after cutting it.

That's a brilliant example, thanks.

My question is this. Plato conceived of the ideal that our forms could never become. But the ideal is ideal in form, and so has become the form. The Heart Sutra says that "form does not differ from emptiness," so are those who hold the emptiness as ideal mistaken?

[zenzero]

friend Stephenw,
Yes you are correct.
Both are true but one has to be in that middle to see both the ends clearly.
Once again. meditate, contemplate, meditate.
Evry moment be aware, be awake not allowing the mind to take any sides.
It is like when we wake up at Dawn. The mind is fuzzy as the rest at night has allowed most active thoughts to settle without our active participation in arousing more dirt to throw up.
The mind too is like Dawn neither daylight has come nor is there darkness.
Just awareness. Slowly we awake to realities and then the thoughts starts to get active, it is then the problem starts. That moment on be aware and do not let the thoughts to direct you, control you. You take the lead and think only that you need to think at that moment.
You see a girl and your thoughts goes here and there or anything. Those moments get hold of the mind and tell him thiese are just mamary gland or tissues or cells slowly get the mind to think of whats behind those things go deeper into each aspect.
Slowly and surely every aspect will be revealed.
Love & rgds

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by koan

Isn't that Astral travelling?

Some call it by that name, Koan, but I don't like the baggage associated with the word "astral" as by default it includes unrealistic levels of psychobabble and hocus pocus.

I far prefer to think of it as merely learning to gell consciousness into a single unit which then can wholly move out of the physical perspective. This can be accomplished in dream states, meditative states and during normal "waking" consciousness, although each represent a distinct hurdle and is exponentially more difficult than the previous.

Originally Posted by zenzero

Friend YmirGF,
There are few who are already enlightened [like you] and needs no guidance from laymen like me.
I had mentioned before in one of my posts that am trying to practice awareness in sleep and am yet far off the mark forget about being aware in dreams.
Astral travel OBE are still areas to cover in time and space and which I have in unlimited abundance so for the moment live this moment when the next moment comes; will see to that.
love & Rgds

*blushes* "Sssshhhhhh!'

Sadly, I was actually hoping you would answer my questions for the "home audience". I am quite sure many would find your answers quite stimulating.

[zenzero]

Freind Stephenw,
Just meditate on
Where the forms originated from?
You will get your answere about form and emptiness.
Mountains are mountains
Mountains are not mountains
mountains are mountains.
Meditate, contemplae, meditate.
Love & rgds

[zenzero]

Friend YmirGF,
No need to be either Sad or Happy.
It is the way it is.
Suchness.
That!
Love & rgds

[zenzero]

Friend Willamena,
The answere was for you.
what got addressed below:
Freind Stephenw,
Just meditate on
Where the forms originated from?
You will get your answere about form and emptiness.
Mountains are mountains
Mountains are not mountains
mountains are mountains.
Meditate, contemplae, meditate.
Love & rgds