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Old 09-30-2011, 12:56 AM
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Still fixated in the illusory "self", aren't you?
Ha ha Luis.

We know each other too well. Don't we?
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Old 09-30-2011, 04:05 AM
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Know who?
Ya. That is a fine question. The finest in fact. So, who is asking 'know who?'?



(Hey. I am sorry. This DIR and actually I agree with you). Thanks.
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Old 09-30-2011, 11:42 AM
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A sense of self is asking "who".
Sense is all that is true of objects of this universe. So, my point is that upholding the objects as more real than the seer/knower of the sense objects is nonsense, IMO.
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Sense is all that is true of objects of this universe. So, my point is that upholding the objects as more real than the seer/knower of the sense objects is nonsense, IMO.
I guess we can only agree to disagree then, because I simply don't see the nonsense in that. In fact, I hold just the opposite view; sense is accidental in nature, and things lack a true essence.
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Not self means that the self has no intrinsic, eternal existence, it arises and ceases, subject to causes and conditions. The self exists, it just does not exist independent of this lifetime and this body.
How is this not atheistic naturalism? When you die, you're dead and everything goes black.
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I guess we can only agree to disagree then, because I simply don't see the nonsense in that. In fact, I hold just the opposite view; sense is accidental in nature, and things lack a true essence.
Ya. Naturalism and not Buddhism.

What is the point of Nirvana?
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Ya. Naturalism and not Buddhism.

What is the point of Nirvana?
Making Buddhism not Naturalism, perhaps

And that is probably the correct answer, too.

Naturalism, to the best of my knowledge, lacks an explicit moral directive.
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Making Buddhism not Naturalism, perhaps

And that is probably the correct answer, too.

Naturalism, to the best of my knowledge, lacks an explicit moral directive.
That is the problem Luis. I respect you a lot but i must say this. Moral injunctions do imply that there is agency that registers Dukkha. It has to clean its register.

I baulk when Buddhists appear to be nothing but naturalists.
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