Bible Matrix prophecies: 2006 (Earth, exodus, blood, Jerusalem, Israel)

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

If you have to use fear of the end of the world as a motivation to follow the teachings of your religion, then I think maybe you're not doing something right.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

[zombieharlot]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

As a Christian, would you say trying to use the Bible in this way is a form of prophecy, or a form of divination?

A Christian transvestite!?! I believe in God and Christ, but I don't agree with it. That's why I use the term "ronin," (I follow my own masterless path) but it just seems to confuse people.

But anyway... I personally don't see it as being divination, as there doesn't seem to be anything supernatural about it.

[zombieharlot]

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

Really? Then how do you feel about the DaVinci code?

The Bible matrices are really not any different from the predictions of our French fop friend Nostradamus, save for the fact that in the Bible you have to look for them. Which incidently makes it easier to make stuff up. You can use Nostradamus' "prophecies" to predict just about anything. I don't see why such things being in the Bible would make it true.
Actually, you can do the same type of matrix prophecy with a lot of books. Actually I think someone discovered that Moby Dick predicted the Gulf War. Melville must have put it in there on prupose.

Have you done any research as to the viability of the Bible Maticies, or do you just accept it at face value?

Personally, I don't care too much for Bible Code, and care even less about The Da Vinci Code. I do have a bit of an eye on Bible Code though. You can find things on Hitler and J.F.K.'s assassanation in your standard phonebook. But the difference between that and Bible Code that is interesting to me is that the codes in the Bible seem to be so much more compacted and specific. I'm not trying to confirm truth in Bible Code, or to deny it either. I simply like playing around with the notion that it could be true.

[FFH]

Excerpts from Bush's speech on Monday August 14, 2006

Bush said Hesbollah and its supporters in Iran and Syria were responsible for the 34-day war, and called that conflict "part of a broader struggle between freedom and terror."

He warned Iran against meddling in both Lebanon and Iraq

"In both these countries, Iran is backing armed groups in the hope of stopping democracy from taking hold," he said.

"The message of this administration is clear: America will stay on the offense against al Qaeda. Iran must stop its support for terror," he said

The president defended the U.S. role in settling the Israel-Lebanon conflict, saying Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice deserved "great credit" for the cease-fire agreement.

Bush laid the blame for the conflict -- in which more than 1,000 people died -- on Hezbollah, Iran and Syria.

"America recognizes that civilians in Lebanon and Israel have suffered from the current violence, and we recognize that responsibility for this suffering lies with Hezbollah," Bush said.

"Responsibility for the suffering of the Lebanese people also lies with Hezbollah state sponsors, Iran and Syria."

Bush said Iran "provides Hezbollah with financial support, weapons and training."

"Iran has made clear that it seeks the destruction of Israel," he said. "We can only imagine how much more dangerous this conflict would be if Iran had the nuclear weapon it seeks."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/14/bush/index.html

[s2a]

Hello FFH,

When I proposed/inquired...
"Even if we concede for the sake of argument that any deciphered matrix-prophecy IS "true"...the question still remains, "so what of it"? What is a believer supposed to do with that "revealed" information? "


You said:

There is great comfort and tremendous peace in knowing God is in control of every event which will occur on this planet.

For the faithful...no doubt. For the heretical unbelievers, personal comfort and peace are derived from more thoughtful and insightful components of experience, and an earned understanding that neither circumstance nor fate is pre-ordained. We are masters or victims of our own consequential choices. Thanking or blaming some benevolent/spiteful "invisible Holy Dad" just seems like a cop-out

The horrific events we have witnessed, and will witness, in this world, are not random, but were decreed before the world began, and are designed to stretch the limits of our faith, which will prove us, and move us closer to God, or further away, depending on our reactions and perceptions of the events and circumstances of this world.

Or not...

Fortunately, if one does not accept the imposed limitations of faith-based rationales/perspectives, all future possibilities remain available.

There must be an opposition in all things, for example; there must be the possibility of men to both sin, or be righteous, in order for God's purposes to be fulfilled, hence, the evils that exist in this world and the many good things, which do simultaneously exist.

But if there is no "god", then there is neither a reason or purpose for "Him" to exist to ultimately "fulfill" our purpose in existence. Mortal men can and do seek to define their own purpose in existence (and just fine, thankyouverymuch), without need or want of resort to a chosen belief in supernatural entities. If a god introduces "evil" as a test of the faithful, then the test is an imposed evaluation of "ultimate" trust (see Job). One can "believe" in a god, and yet regard that god as unfair, unjust, or damn fickle and unpredictable (see: ancient/present mythology).

To perceive the cosmos in like fashion is equally legitimate (though always personally colored and biased), and offers no more a satisfying "answer" to the question of "why do bad things happen to good people?". Is it really fair, rational, or reasonable to be "tested" against a secret standard of unprovided "correct" answers, of which these are only known to the "test-giver" Himself? If you have been edified to understand that 3x4=12, but the test proctor says, "I'm sorry, but the correct answer today is '57'"; you might be compelled to inquire as to why "57" is the correct "answer" today.
"Because I say so today...you must accept and believe me truthful, or you fail. You needn't, nor shouldn't question 'why' this is so. Just understand that tomorrow the correct answer might be totally different, but still must be equally and sustainably accepted as 'truth. It's not a matter of consistency and testable measure...it's a matter of my demand of your trust and faith".

2 Nephi 2 ~ There must be an opposition in all things ~

This reference reminds me of the accepted rationale in beating one's own children "for their own good". "This is going to hurt me as much or more that it's going to hurt you...".

What a bunch of crap.

Doctrine and Covenants 122: 5-8 ~ All things work toward our good...

“There is the reason. It is for our development, our purification, our growth, our education and advancement, that we buffet the fierce waves of sorrow and misfortune; and we shall be all the stronger and better when we have swum the flood and stand upon the farther shore.”
(Improvement Era, Nov. 1918, pp. 5–6.)

Oh, I get it. Sorrow is joy.

Not unlike...

"War is peace"
"Freedom is slavery"
"Ignorance is strength"
"Thoughtcrime does not entail death: thoughtcrime is death."
- George Orwell, 1984

Another huge steaming pile of crap...though one literary source attempts to illustrate as much, and the other seeks to validate same as insightful truth.

I do not need to experience cancer personally to understand that it is a circumstance both unpleasant and to be avoided whenever possible. I do not need to personally suffer to feel empathy, pity, or care for the uninvited/imposed misfortunes of others.

Rationalization by faith of human injustice, suffering, pain, anguish, and indifference is hardly ameliorated by the "knowledge" that other's (or yourself) are being "tested" in their (or your own) faith.

If I were to torture a stray dog just to "test" your reaction, and measure the level or degree of your righteous faith in so doing, would it lessen my "righteous" motivations and rationale in such a chosen course? Is imposed suffering the only (or best) measure of piety, faith, and devotion to a deity? Would such "faith-testing" methodology be deemed as acceptable amongst mortal humans? Is an unaccountable and cruel deity more worthy of devotion and worship than someone in this mortal realm who purposefully tortures sentient creatures merely as a measure of their own humanity?

s2a, if I were to say I do not know of a surety when the world will end, I would be telling you the truth, because we don't know of a surety when anything will happen, otherwise faith would have no part in our existence, which is necessary for our progression, towards becoming like God.

I understand. If there is no faith, there is no reason for a god to exist.

There will always be the unanswered question, as to the final day of this earth's existence.

Agreed. I'm just not one of those folks actively wishing and hoping for that day to come sooner than later...

Personally I am going with the Bible matrix year of 2012, and if It's wrong, no big loss, but if it's right, I want to make sure my life is right with God well before this earth is destroyed, so that I may continue to live on it, when it receives it's paradisical glory.

No big deal? Failed prophecy is just so much dirty dishwater then?

"Oh well"?

Ya know, and this is just me talking here...but I believe that trust in authority must be earned, not merely claimed nor abjectly asserted to obtain demanded total obedience. I believe that a promise made should be a promise kept. If not, there is neither honor, nor expectantly deserved trust in the person (entity?) that would consistently and repeatedly prophecy such failed promises time after time.

But that's just me...

In other words it gives me a reason to obey God, if merely to have the opportunity to live on a paradisical earth, verses some other lesser state of existence, which I would not be satisfied with, for instance the earth as it is now. I am not satisfied with this earth's state of existence and want to obtain a higher degree of glory, or experience a greater state of existence, than I am currently experiencing.

Whoa. Whadda ya know? I'm not entirely satisfied with the current state of affairs in this world either! Brother!

Tell me, besides sating your own "eternal" interests and search for truth and "glory", what are you doing to make an improving difference in the here and now (besides your uninteresting and inessential testaments of personal faith in some invisible deity)?

I would like to emphasize that if a Jewish temple is not built in Jerusalem, during this timeline, which I have proposed, then the prophecy of the world ending in 2012, in the Bible codes, is knull and void, because a new Jewish temple, in Jerusalem, on the old temple mount, has been prophecied in the book of Daniel, which will be built, and then defiled by the antichrist, prior to the resurrection of Christ's followers off this earth, prior to the earth's destruction and renewal.

NIce fallback strategy and convenient apology.
"Break this emergency glass enclosure in case of prophecy failure".
Why invest your faith in specifics, when vagaries and generalities allow for a broader test (or testimony) of faith?

Through fall 2013- Renewal of the earth. Earth becomes a paradise, and receives it's paradisical glory, or Terrestrial state of existence. Christ sets up his kingdom, by establishing the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven with His saints, who were resurrected, prior to the earth's destruction.

Or not...apparently...

Not that it really matters to a "true believer"...

At least tarot card readers and astrologists are entertaining, if no more accurate or dependable that secret "Bible Codes" .

"Some flaky types in your workplace are infectious. You, however, can ward them off by inoculating yourself with a large dose of organization. Get those files in order and your ducks in a barrel."
- My daily horoscope compliments of Astrology.com, for 08/17/06

I wonder what will happen if I ignore the counsel this prediction.
I wonder if I will encounter "flaky types" in some other venue outside of work.
I wonder if mixed metaphors are purposefully obtuse, or just plain stupid.

I wonder...

[FFH]

s2a, all I am doing is suggesting a timeline of events, neither I nor anyone else is holding their breath, waiting for anything to happen, but many are looking forward to Christ removing us from this earth, and if there is any chance that we are in the final years before Christ comes, then that is encouraging to me.

I suggested earlier that if you don't see a temple being built in Jerusalem, on the old temple mount, then the other things are void, such as a first and second rapture, and the end of the world, but if you see a temple being built in the near future, know that the end is near, but know as long as there is but one righteous person left on this earth, it will not be destroyed. In other words, nothing will happen until the righteous are taken off this earth.

If you see the first and second rapture happen, know that this is a sign, that the end is near.

There is a certain order to things in Bible prophecy. For instance two prophets will be killed in Jerusalem, and their bodies will lie in the street for three days, and men will rejoice over their dead bodies for three days, which will then be resurrected, for all the world to see. This will be a major sign that the saints will be resurrected off this earth very soon, prior to the earth's destruction.

To a Christian this should be a glorious event, being resurrected off this earth, in order to escape the destruction of the wicked. It states, in the Bible, that if we were to hang around here until the end, we (Christians) would all be destroyed.

The Bible states, we (Christians) shall hardly escape what is coming upon the wicked men of this earth.

Many righteous men will be redeemed from this earth, prior to the wicked destroying themselves, and the total destruction of this earth. The wicked will continue to destroy the wicked, until the end of the world, when God will destroy the remnant of the wicked that are left.

[s2a]

FFH said:

s2a, all I am doing is suggesting a timeline of events, neither I nor anyone else is holding their breath, waiting for anything to happen...

"...suggesting a timeline of events..."?
You initiated this thread, and entitled it as "Bible Matrix prophecies: 2006"...not "FFH's suggested timeline of (coming) events".
C'mon. Are these legitimate and divinely-inspired biblically-derived prophecies, or not?

...but many are looking forward to Christ removing us from this earth, and if there is any chance that we are in the final years before Christ comes, then that is encouraging to me.

And the very fact that you are "encouraged" by such an event is what I find most troubling and disturbing...

I suggested earlier that if you don't see a temple being built in Jerusalem, on the old temple mount, then the other things are void, such as a first and second rapture, and the end of the world, but if you see a temple being built in the near future, know that the end is near, but know as long as there is but one righteous person left on this earth, it will not be destroyed. In other words, nothing will happen until the righteous are taken off this earth.

Yeah, I know all about predispensational millenialism and it's multitudinous variants, and what "tidings" such an event would portend. Please excuse a heathen's apostate optimism for a more favorable future and present...

If you see the first and second rapture happen, know that this is a sign, that the end is near.

OK. I'll know the end is near....as it has been since the beginning...

There is a certain order to things in Bible prophecy. For instance two prophets will be killed in Jerusalem, and their bodies will lie in the street for three days, and men will rejoice over their dead bodies for three days, which will then be resurrected, for all the world to see. This will be a major sign that the saints will be resurrected off this earth very soon, prior to the earth's destruction.

To a Christian this should be a glorious event, being resurrected off this earth, in order to escape the destruction of the wicked. It states, in the Bible, that if we were to hang around here until the end, we (Christians) would all be destroyed.

And ya see...it's the idea of Christian's reveling and glorifying God's destruction of the "wicked" that kinda bugs me the most...

The Bible states, we (Christians) shall hardly escape what is coming upon the wicked men of this earth.

Can you discern just who the "wicked men" are, or is that the exclusive domain of God Himself? Is there any prospect of "wicked men" that happen to profess themselves as Christians escaping God's wrath and judgment because they too ardently hoped for "the end" to come, when instead they should have been living out their prophet's teachings of tending to the poor, the meek, the mournful, and the peacemakers?
How many will be deemed righteous and worthy of ascension, in light of Matt. 5:17-20? Have you never labored on the Sabbath, nor lent false testimony against your neighbor? Have you not yet gouged out your eyes for lustful thoughts alone? Do you earnestly pray for those that persecute you. Have you always accepted the stroke upon one cheek, only to turn the other for another stroke?

Be careful of what you wish for...

Quo