Bible Matrix prophecies: 2006 (Earth, exodus, blood, Jerusalem, Israel)

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by FFH

. All I'm suggesting is that we can know the general timeline of the "morning" and "afternoon" of the "first resurrection," when we will meet the Lord in the air, prior to the destruction of the world, which is written in the Doctrine and Covenants, and in Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine.

We don't have to be completly in the dark as to the timing of the first resurrection, when we will escape this world, prior to it's destruction.

We won't, we have a prophet of the Lord here on the earth today, and the prophet will help us prepare for the coming of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, some people, just aren't listening -- that's all.

We need not even worry about the morning, afternoon and night, as long as we are following the laws of the Lord and living the best that we can, we have nothing to worry about.

There are those who need to feel like the need to predict the coming of Christ on a specific years, but apparently those are the kind of people who would rather not focus on how spiritually ready they are, but how spiritually ready people in general are.

That's why we have missionaries, that's why we have leaders in the Church, one not needen't make it their life goal on something like this, but then again who am I to derail ones dreams?

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by FFH

All things, which were spoken of by Jesus, in this chapter, will occur, in these last days, before this generation, which is witnessing it, will pass away.

And there are those that are long gone and past, such as my grandfather who was told that it was his generation that would see the second coming of Christ.

[FFH]

Originally Posted by FFH

Matthew 24:34

All things, which were spoken of by Jesus, in this chapter, will occur, in these last days, before this generation, which is witnessing it, will pass away.

Originally Posted by Becky

And there are those that are long gone and past, such as my grandfather who was told that it was his generation that would see the second coming of Christ.

Difference is, he didn't witness the events written in Matthew 24.

We are witnessing them now. We are witnessing the final prophecies of scripture.

[Ody]

Maybe I should look for the inspired word of Moby Dick , I fear however your head is so far into this money making bible code nonsense it may be pointless. Like the prisoners of the cave, are you too happy in the darkness to be taken out?

[SunMessenger]

As a believer in an all powerful and all knowing God I can not discount the possibility that the Bible contains more information than we currently understand. I have no doubt that it is within Gods Power to do anything . I have no doubt that Almighty God loves each and everyone of us whether we are born believers or not.

At some point I expect to see Jesus. In life or in death. The time is not known to me. I know that the compassion of the Lord will make that information available to me in His time not mine.

I can not refute these theories any more than I can sustain them. I wish I could. I have no information that I can point to that would ever withstand a critical analysis by any form of earthly Judge.

I do know that many signals are present in various parts of the world which could lead a reasonable man to draw conclusions that are in favor of an Apocalypse in the near future. It is a thought I try to avoid as much as possible.

I am a firm believer in the Holy Spirit of God. I know that The Spirit can Manifest knowledge in us regarding all things. I dare say that some of the knowledge manifested by The Holy Spirit would be ridiculed if divulged by a simple man as being impossible and absurd.

What I have come to know as The Holy Spirits Manifest of Wisdom is quite remarkable. It gives a sense to some that these are indeed the final days. I know of no man who has ever tried to predict the exact day. It is impossible to do as The Holy Spirit will never allow the Manifest of Wisdom to include any knowledge directly forbidden by God. The Date of that final day is one item that is clearly forbidden .

I understand the specific wording does not include the year.I also understand that it is beyond any human comprehension to predict anything forbidden by God. It is not permitted.

I need to walk a fine line here so as not to offend nor preach. I will close with this. The Holy Spirit Of God has shown me and many others incredible things. Some are beautiful and comforting. Others are not. My understanding and life force comes from the Holy Spirit. My education comes from many professors and incredible life experiences. After spending most of my life glued to the guidelines of earthly studies and experience I am floored to this day by the Miraculous and Over Powering Knowledge The Holy Spirit has given me freely and that is always available to anyone who simply asks.


I attempted to comment here without breaking any rules and without preachy language. If I have violated any I apologize. I will completely understand the reason for editing if it is done. Be Well and God Bless...

[zombieharlot]

Originally Posted by beckysoup61

Since it doesn't mention it's 'not allowed' to get the year, of course we can. I'm sure Heavenly Father will understand.

The only way that I can see this as being wrong, Becky, is if this proves false (as false prophesying is a sin). If the matrices prove to be true, then I'm sure God must have put them in their.

[s2a]

FFH said:

Matthew 16: 28

There is no earthly record of John's death.

John the Revelator is still roaming the earth, according to LDS doctrine.

So when Jesus is accounted to have said/prophesied:
"I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.", you would have believers and unbelievers alike accept that John the Unaccountably Eternal lent special exemption to this prophetical prediction...

Your apologist explanation of unfulfilled prophecy offered by the Redeemer Himself--in that a witnessing 2000 year old man of that time and place still roams the Earth today--provides answer to the why of an apparently failed prophecy to the otherwise unenlightened? Even if this absurd assumption (of a living, breathing, 2000 year-old mortal man) could (somehow) be substantiated as fact--it still doesn't explain why Jesus would lend such a dire and ultimate prediction of His imminent return to HIs most adherent followers, whilst retaining full knowledge--only unto HImself--that "John the Revelator" would persist on for two whole millennia to follow.

Does this uniquely circumstantial and extrapolitively qualified (supposedly misunderstood as unfulfilled prophecy) not strike you as a tad disingenuous and misleading, at best(after all, only the Prophet Himself would know that John would remain immortal for thousands of years to come)? Or (at worst) a completely pointless and moot "revelation" bestowed upon the ears of all others who were first-hand "witness" at the time?

This "explanation" strikes me as not unlike a useless prophecy that predicts that your widowed ex-wife will remarry another man after your death. If the prophecy is to be believed as true, then what difference/impact does it make upon your marital status today? What personal preparations/actions are to be sought/made in light of such a revelation? What's the point of any revealed prophecy if you have no personal control as to how future foretold events should influence your behavior/perspective within the present? Why would a Prophet share a revelation that He KNOWS the "prophetically enlightened" recipient will never come to realize nor confirm/validate as an enduring and faithful testament of "truth"? If Jesus had said:
"I tell you the truth, 'some (well OK...John)' who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.", then such an apologist "explanation might have some element of credulity...but then again, most obviously...it doesn't.

And if we are to accept the logic of the apologist premise that any/all unaccounted/unrecorded deaths are to therefore be presumed as "still alive" in the present (Oh, I know this one! Prove that Hercules does not exist as a living, breathing person today! If you can't, then the claim must be true!), we're gonna need a whole lot more nursing homes and federal funding for social security checks (for the really senior citizens) both now, and in the future.

On the other hand, what a relief to present-day term-life insurance underwriters your explanation provides...I men hey; no documentation, no body, therefore...no death has occurred!; ergo, no obligatory insurance pay-outs for such indeterminate folks that just might be alive after 150, or even 1500 years have passed since their "undocumented" disappearance was first noticed by anyone! No wonder Dorian Grey kept his portrait well protected and secret...

I find your proffered apologetic "loophole" of otherwise notably failed prophecy one of the most insubstantial and absurd rationalizations I have ever read, or even bothered to contemplate in reply.

Of course, it is you that bears the burden of proof to provide (for medical evaluation and verification/substantiation) the whereabouts and distinct personage (a "faith-based" habeas corpus, if you like) of this alleged 2000 year-old man (as an interviewee, he'd be a lock win during sweeps week on Oprah, dontchathink?).

Matthew 24:34

All things, which were spoken of by Jesus, in this chapter, will occur, in these last days, before this generation, which is witnessing it, will pass away.

Been there, done that. Time and again. EVERY generation of believers has proclaimed that their generation will bear final witness of His "return". I find such persistently recurrent failure of yet unfulfilled prophesied actualiations most satisfactorily assuring that my days are numbered purely by and within the circumstances and choices I alone may confront and ultimately account for myself.

I offer you a reversal (of sorts) of Pascal's Wager, in that I'm willing to bet that your faith-based prophecies of some divine return, and subsequent judgment...are pure unequivocal bunk; and will once more prove to be baseless and (and once again, quite predictably) ultimately unrealized.

Reveal the secretly extrapolated expectant year (I'll allow for an unspecified date, or time of day) of His return to such a mortal heathen as myself, and revel in your surety of no less than a paltry monetary wager; in that you will be surely and no less be redeemed at that time of glorious return...and I shall therefore be righteously condemned to perish in flames within the pits of eternal damnation, fire, and brimstone.

As Pascal's Wager submits to unbelievers..."What have you got to lose?", I submit no less a reflexive inquiry.

If you're correct, I'll pass away, and you'll be gloriously saved and redeemed, and therefore money will have no further use nor value to/for you. No harm, no foul upon you.

If I'm right, at worst you'll part with the monetarily meaningless sum you have wagered...and you'll still retain the privilege to practice or preach whatever ensuing prophesied revelation of doom and gloom you please, with but a lighter wallet to ponder as mild penalty of ill-construed relevatory prediction...

What say you?

Wanna bet that I'm right, and you're wrong?

How strong is your faith, and how much are you willing to wager moolah in abject faith? I have already offered you "skeptic's odds" of 5:1 against personal loss...

What have you got to lose?

[PS. Odds favor my seeing the year 2024 above ground, and still within this mortal realm...with some personal financial support/reserve still withstanding.]

I'll match five times whatever monetary sum you wish to wager in challenge; to be then placed in an independently supervised escrow bank account of your choosing. The balance of said account, with it's accrued interest, shall be payable in full to the mortal survivor of the Second Coming of Jesus---one year and one day after the numerically specified year you choose to share as THE year of His return (whether or not such an event, or claim/identification actually transpires). I would allow a bipartisan group of faith-based and skeptical arbiters to decide whether or not "The Prophet" has/had actually "returned" upon the enumerated year you specify.

C'mon. You've got Holy Scripture, hidden "matrixes", and personal certitude of revelatory faith on your side in support. I have nothing more than my heretical skepticism to rely upon.

I say "Bible Matrix Prophecies" are unmitigated bunk, and I'm more than willing to put my money where my skeptically dubious mouth spouts forth...how about you?

Rumor has it that LDS/Morman adherents are relatively well-off financially. I hope this rumor is true. Please don't tell me that betting on the truth of God's Word is a sin...otherwise Bingo Night at the local Kinghts of Columbus Hall is but a den of iniquity, and a veritable mortal peril to one's very soul...

[FFH]

Originally Posted by s2a

Please don't tell me that betting on the truth of God's Word is a sin