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#31
10-22-2005, 08:18 PM
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O.k. ....... I see we are becoming full circle here to one point.
Quickly though I will say that I am still not sure about my feelings on Paul and I will have to leave that as it is for now until I recieve further guidence. As for the Law............. I do have to say that I disagree with you completely as to the fact that we need both the Law and Faith. I also disagree with you on what the true meaning of the word "works" entails. Works is the doing of the Law. That is very plain and simple through out the NT. Yes we are to give to the poor and treat everyone as we would want them to treat us but that again is part of the Law. We have to have Faith because we cannot be perfect in the Law but we need to do the Law to perfect thy Faith. Question.......... What is a Saint to you? 
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#32
10-22-2005, 08:20 PM
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A saint is pretty much a follow of christ.
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There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him. Keep Music Alive
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#33
10-22-2005, 08:26 PM
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Sorry almost forgot............ Hebrews chapter 7-10 has to do with which Laws were either changed or were done away with by YAHshua. He didn't do away with all of them but He did, through His Sacrifice, do away with or change some of them.
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#34
10-22-2005, 08:27 PM
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#35
10-22-2005, 08:37 PM
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yes. an actual follower. Not just someone who claims to follow Him but obviously doesn't.
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#36
10-22-2005, 08:39 PM
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Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
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#37
10-22-2005, 08:41 PM
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Yeah, if you want. You'll have to state your position first, though, because that seems to go right along with what I said with saints are just followers of christ.
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#38
10-22-2005, 08:43 PM
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It also goes right along with what I said about also following the Law as well.
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#39
10-22-2005, 08:46 PM
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no it doesn't. Because it is no longer a commandement that I follow the mosaic law. OR else Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would not be saints, and I think they were better than the average follower of Mosaic Law.
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#40
10-22-2005, 08:51 PM
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I just looked up a link that shows the 613 Laws. Now if you take out those laws to do with sacrifice and offerings as well as those laws pertaining to the priesthood because there is only one Priest now and all law pertaing to the Temple because it is destroyed. ummmmmmmmm ........ have I left anything out? ........... other than those laws which through scripture it is plainly shown that YAHshua, or His sacrifice, either did away with them or changed them. Or maybe they are sort of put on hold until lets say the Temple is rebuilt and the Priesthood is re-established, i.e. the Levitical Priesthood as in the Kohanim, as well as Tithes cause there are no Levites to recieve them. As stated if you take those Laws out and look at the rest. What Law is so distastefull unless you are just not wanting to obey thy Father?
http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm
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