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Old 01-26-2005, 04:02 PM
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I just ran across the "Who Carved the ten Commandments" thread and a question I asked in another debate popped into my head.

I was wondering if anyone could tell me what scripture tells us exactly which laws were carved on the tablets?

Anyone know?
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We don't know. Presumably it could have been the commandments scattered throughout the Pentateuch. That's a guess, though, and it comes down to the fact that we just don't know.
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Lol, that reminds me of a joke...

One day in a local monastery, one of the older monks decided to spend the day in the library cataloging the famous collection of ancient books and documents that the monastery housed. The other monks left him alone to do his work in peace.

As the sun began to set, the old monk had still not emerged from the library, so the other monks decided to send a messenger in there to try and encourage the old monk to call it a day. When the messenger entered the library, he was met by the sight of manuscript after manuscript--some lying about on the floor, and others stacked neatly in finished, organized piles. The most disturbing sight, however, was that of the old monk crying in the center of the room where he sat. He had a particularly old document in his lap, and was mumbling something as his shoulders rocked with tears. The messenger ran to try and comfort the old monk, and eventually got him to settle down and his tears to abate.

When asked what was the matter, the old monk pointed to a single line on the paper in his lap and exclaimed, "It doesn't say celibate, it says celebrate!"
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We don't know. Presumably it could have been the commandments scattered throughout the Pentateuch. That's a guess, though, and it comes down to the fact that we just don't know.
I didn`t think we did, at least I`ve been unable to find any mention of which laws are the ten.

If this is so then how did we get these ?

1. You shall not worship any other god but YHWH.

2. You shall not make a graven image.

3. You shall not take the name of YHWH in vain.

4. You shall not break the Sabbath.

5. You shall not dishonor your parents.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not commit perjury.

10. You shall not covet.


Where did they come from?


Who compiled this list and said it was given to Moses by God?
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I think No*s has given the best answer possible, but maybe a definition might help:

Decalogue
(Greek deka, ten and logos, word).
The term employed to designate the collection of precepts written on two tables of stone and given by God to Moses on Mount Sinai. The injunctions and prohibitions of which it is composed are set forth in Exodus (20:1-17) and in Deuteronomy (5:6-21). The differences discernible in the style of enumerating them in Exodus as contrasted with Deuteronomy are not essential and pertain rather to the reasons alleged for the precepts in either instance than to the precepts themselves.

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The injunctions and prohibitions of which it is composed are set forth in Exodus (20:1-17) and in Deuteronomy (5:6-21). The differences discernible in the style of enumerating them in Exodus as contrasted with Deuteronomy are not essential and pertain rather to the reasons alleged for the precepts in either instance than to the precepts themselves.
I understand that.

But try to think of this from my atheistic point of view.

Y`know I have to have a reason for everything

I do not know how those particular ten laws became attributed to what was literally written in stone by God.

I can find know where reference to god telling Moses "which" ten laws he was carving just that he would carve the laws.

How do we know these were the ten he carved?
How doe we know he didn`t carve a completely different set?
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But try to think of this from my atheistic point of view.
Well.... I can tell you from my years as an atheist: I wouldn't have given a rat's butt about some fairy tale.

..... but, you seem to enjoy it, so what do I know?

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I do not know how those particular ten laws became attributed to what was literally written in stone by God.
Either does anyone else on this planet.
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How do we know these were the ten he carved?
How doe we know he didn`t carve a completely different set?
We? I know because I believe in the Church..... you will never be convinced as there is no "evidence" you would find credible.

Sorry I can't give a better answer... maybe one of the non-Catholic theists will play along for ya!

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Sorry I can't give a better answer... maybe one of the non-Catholic theists will play along for ya!

Scott
I sure hope so.



But doesn`t that strike anyone else as extremely weird?

That so many believe these ten laws are the cornerstone to morality yet don`t even really know where they came from or why they were compiled the way they are?
Can`t even really "know" these are the ten laws God wants followed most because he doesn`t say which laws they are in scripture?

Mind blowing from my POV.

The naturally following question is:

Who Compiled The ten Commandments?

Who?

Do we know?

I thought that might be an answer you had some insight into Scott.

Did the early church have anything to say about the commandments?
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Did the early church have anything to say about the commandments?
Now you're talking my language!

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GENERAL: The essence (90), various kinds (91), and effects (92) of law.
ETERNAL LAW: The eternal law (93).
NATURAL LAW: The natural law (94).
HUMAN LAW: Human law (95) and its power (96) and mutability (97).
OLD LAW: The old law (98) and its precepts (99): moral (100), ceremonial (101) and judicial (104). The causes (102) and duration (103) of the ceremonial precepts. The reason (105) for the judicial precepts.
NEW LAW: The law of the Gospel (106) or new law and its comparison with the o