The holy Trinity (Jesus, Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Christianity, God)

[michel]

Can anyone explain that to me in words of one or two sillables, so I can understand it? It is one concept that I just cannot get to grips with

[No*s]

The Trinity is the belief that there is one God. This God has revealed Himself in three persons, each of whom is a separate person, but it is still one God. Confusing? You bet. I haven't quite wrapped my mind around it myself.

[michel]

Originally Posted by No*s

The Trinity is the belief that there is one God. This God has revealed Himself in three persons, each of whom is a separate person, but it is still one God. Confusing? You bet. I haven't quite wrapped my mind around it myself.

That's my point, God, according to what I understand, is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. If God is the Father, and the son, and Jesus was the son of God, Was Jesus God?

[No*s]

Yes. In the Nicene Creed, it says the Spirit "proceeds from the Father" and the Son is "begotten" of the Father. The Father is the core of the Trinity, but both of these come from Him. John states that the Logos (the Word) was the same thing as God, and later Jesus asserts that if we have seen Him, we have seen the Father.

So, yes, Jesus is God in Christianity. He is not the Father, though. It's that confusing three-in-one bit.

[michel]

Thanks, that's made it clear as mud; I'm glad to know I'm not the only one though............

[No*s]

Sorry, I can't make it clearer. It's a pretty hard thing to understand, but then, God's pretty hard to understand.

I remember a story I read somewhere to the effect that one day Augustine was walking along the beach and pondering the Trinity. He saw a child filling a hole with water. He asked her waht she was doing, and she told him she was trying to put the ocean in the hole. Augustine promptly told the child that she couldn't possibly do that. The ocean was too great to possibly be contained in a little hole. She then asked him why, he supposed he could fit God in his mind that he could understand Him and promptly vanished.

The Trinity is just kind of hard to understand just like what it reprepsents...

[huajiro]

Heaven is the nite club.....God is the owner.....Jesus is the bouncer....the Holy Spirit is law enforcement.......you can't get in to see God if Jesus doesnt check you out.....if you do anything wrong you have to answer to the Holy Spirit.

[anders]

And take a couple of days to meditate over the theory that God has himself killed as a sacrifice to himself, to atone for what he hasn't stopped his creations from doing.

[No*s]

Originally Posted by anders

And take a couple of days to meditate over the theory that God has himself killed as a sacrifice to himself, to atone for what he hasn't stopped his creations from doing.

Pen-Sub isn't the only Christian model, and it isn't the only historical model...

[may]

Originally Posted by michel

Can anyone explain that to me in words of one or two sillables, so I can understand it? It is one concept that I just cannot get to grips with

The reason you cant come to grips with it ,is because it is not a bible teaching ,it is a manmade doctrine .

If people were to read the Bible from cover to cover without any preconceived idea of a Trinity, would they arrive at such a concept on their own? Not at all.

What comes through very clearly to an impartial reader is that God alone is the Almighty, the Creator, separate and distinct from anyone else, and that Jesus, even in his prehuman existence, is also separate and distinct, a created being, subordinate to God.