Pet peeve: when people don't realize the meaning of terms - Page 3

Jayhawker Soule · #21 07-10-2008, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sojourner

Ancient Hebrew hospitality law.

Nonsense.

Runlikethewind · #22 07-10-2008, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by doppelgänger

Do you have examples, or are you just going to be rude?

St Paul was a pharisee (Acts 26:5)

Victor · #23 07-10-2008, 05:50 PM

See also Mat. 23:3...

sojourner · #24 07-14-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by logician

That you are trying to do an illogical thing, to insure us what a mythological person's occupation was?

But since we can't prove that you exist, why does your mythological point matter?

sojourner · #25 07-14-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

Nonsense.

Bunk.

"Hospitality is rooted in kinship. The ger (plural gerim), usually translated "sojourner" or "resident alien" or "client," is anyone outside the kin group or solidarity unit and, therefore, defenseless. Gerim had to be under the protection of a host or patron who was a member of the community. Hospitality was a sacred duty for the Israelites, according to Mosaic law: '...The ger who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the ger as yourself, for you were gerim in the land of Egypt; I am Yahweh your God' (Lev. 19:33-34).
"[Psalm 23] is [a] locus classicus of biblical hospitality. It is a diptych, employing two metaphors to describe God...In the second (vv. 5-6), God is the gracious host. The ... host provide[s] the three essentials -- food, drink, protection. So, too, the host sets a table for the guest, with ample food and drink, under the protection of his abode. Guests were given freshly baked bread as a sign of hospitality and as a way to honor the guest."
(King and Stager, Life in Biblical Israel; WJK, 2001; pp. 61, 62)

Yid613 · #26 07-14-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sojourner

Bunk.

"Hospitality is rooted in kinship. The ger (plural gerim), usually translated "sojourner" or "resident alien" or "client," is anyone outside the kin group or solidarity unit and, therefore, defenseless. Gerim had to be under the protection of a host or patron who was a member of the community. Hospitality was a sacred duty for the Israelites, according to Mosaic law: '...The ger who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the ger as yourself, for you were gerim in the land of Egypt; I am Yahweh your God' (Lev. 19:33-34).
"[Psalm 23] is [a] locus classicus of biblical hospitality. It is a diptych, employing two metaphors to describe God...In the second (vv. 5-6), God is the gracious host. The ... host provide[s] the three essentials -- food, drink, protection. So, too, the host sets a table for the guest, with ample food and drink, under the protection of his abode. Guests were given freshly baked bread as a sign of hospitality and as a way to honor the guest."
(King and Stager, Life in Biblical Israel; WJK, 2001; pp. 61, 62)

Bamidbar (Numbers) 15:15-16
One rule applies to the assembly, for yourselves and for the proselyte who resides [with you]; one rule applies throughout your generations just as [it is] for you, so [it is] for the proselyte, before the Lord. There shall be one law and one ordinance for you and the proselyte who resides [with you].

He we are told to treat a gar (convert, proselyte, non-Jew among us) fairly and justly, one law and one ordinance.

Vayikra (Leviticus) 19:33-36
When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not taunt him. The stranger who sojourns with you shall be as a native from among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord, your God. You shall not commit a perversion of justice with measures, weights, or liquid measures. You shall have true scales, true weights, a true ephah, and a true hin. I am the Lord, your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt.

He we are told to love the gar as our self. The next verse warns us not to pervert justice. We love the garim by treating them fairly and justly, one law and one ordinance.

Tehillim (Psalms) 23
A song of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He causes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul; He leads me in paths of righteousness for His name's sake. Even when I walk in the valley of darkness, I will fear no evil for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff-they comfort me. You set a table before me in the presence of my adversaries; You anointed my head with oil; my cup overflows. May only goodness and kindness pursue me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for length of days.

This speaks of how G-d the Master cares for his servant David. We do not love the gar by making them our servants, even a well treated one.

sojourner · #27 07-15-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Yid613

Bamidbar (Numbers) 15:15-16
One rule applies to the assembly, for yourselves and for the proselyte who resides [with you]; one rule applies throughout your generations just as [it is] for you, so [it is] for the proselyte, before the Lord. There shall be one law and one ordinance for you and the proselyte who resides [with you].

He we are told to treat a gar (convert, proselyte, non-Jew among us) fairly and justly, one law and one ordinance.

Vayikra (Leviticus) 19:33-36
When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not taunt him. The stranger who sojourns with you shall be as a native from among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord, your God. You shall not commit a perversion of justice with measures, weights, or liquid measures. You shall have true scales, true weights, a true ephah, and a true hin. I am the Lord, your God, Who brought you out of the land of Egypt.

He we are told to love the gar as our self. The next verse warns us not to pervert justice. We love the garim by treating them fairly and justly, one law and one ordinance.

Tehillim (Psalms) 23
A song of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He causes me to lie down in green pastures; He leads me beside still waters. He restores my soul; He leads me in paths of righteousness for His name's sake. Even when I walk in the valley of darkness, I will fear no evil for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff-they comfort me. You set a table before me in the presence of my adversaries; You anointed my head with oil; my cup overflows. May only goodness and kindness pursue me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for length of days.

This speaks of how G-d the Master cares for his servant David. We do not love the gar by making them our servants, even a well treated one.

I'm not suggesting that hospitality includes making a servant out of a guest. Let's not confuse hospitality law with debt-slave law.
I'm suggesting that, because of the norms of hospitality, there is a bond of trust established at table between host and guest. Therefore, when Jesus sat at table with Pharisees, he was under the protection of that household.

Yid613 · #28 07-15-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sojourner

I'm suggesting that, because of the norms of hospitality, there is a bond of trust established at table between host and guest. Therefore, when Jesus sat at table with Pharisees, he was under the protection of that household.

Shemot (Exodus) 23:4-5
If you come upon your enemy's bull or his stray donkey, you shall surely return it to him. If you see your enemy's donkey lying under its burden would you refrain from helping him? You shall surely help along with him.

We are also commanded to act kindly to our enemy. Who knows why they may have had him over for a nosh.