A bloodthirsty god?

[Autodidact]

Originally Posted by Zion_Lion08

All that matters is GODS will. If he decides to destroy a whole nation then that's what it is..This was the whole reason God told Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He didn't want Adam to know good or evil, he just wanted Adam to be obedient. God knew upon eating of the tree, the nature of man would be to establish his own rightiousnes. And we being mere creations are now deciding what is right and wrong, fair and unfair. It was never for man to decide, it was just for man to be obedient.

If anyone was wondering whether Judeo-Christianity is a primitive, barbaric, horrific, belief system, this post should clear that right up for you.

[MoonWater]

Originally Posted by Zion_Lion08

All that matters is GODS will. If he decides to destroy a whole nation then that's what it is..This was the whole reason God told Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He didn't want Adam to know good or evil, he just wanted Adam to be obedient. God knew upon eating of the tree, the nature of man would be to establish his own rightiousnes. And we being mere creations are now deciding what is right and wrong, fair and unfair. It was never for man to decide, it was just for man to be obedient.

then the whole point of our existence is to be God's slaves?

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by zion_lion08

All that matters is GODS will. If he decides to destroy a whole nation then that's what it is..This was the whole reason God told Adam not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. He didn't want Adam to know good or evil, he just wanted Adam to be obedient. God knew upon eating of the tree, the nature of man would be to establish his own rightiousnes. And we being mere creations are now deciding what is right and wrong, fair and unfair. It was never for man to decide, it was just for man to be obedient.

Well what does a god know about being "fair"?

A god cannot know suffering, pain and hardship, so how can a god know what's "good" and "right" for us?

Until a god experience our level of existence, then, and only then, can he know great, fragil and complex we are.

Otherwise he is nothing more than tyrant; he is no better than the mortal, bloody-minded dictators with no emphatic of what we go through in life and death.

[Zion_Lion08]

"Freewill" gives you the right to chose whether you want to be a servant of GOD or not. What was ever created without a purpose? Those sarraphim, Riverwolf, were created to do exactly what they are doing. As were all the angels. Whether it was to praise HIM for all eternity, battle, or be messengers. They are serving thier purpose. Adam was put in the Garden of Eden to "dress it and to keep it"[gen.2:15] For all we know that could've been the purpose of man; to dress and keep, this magnificent creation we call "Earth". But GOD dosen't want a servant that dosen't want to be HIS servant so you were giving "freewill". That's why He chose Abraham(and his seed) to be HIS people, because Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son in obedience to GOD. And GOD knew that Abraham loved and would teach his seed after after to love GOD. Abraham could've just as anyone else said" no, I'm not going to sacrifice my child" and went on about his business. But he wouldn't have received the blessings from GOD that we still see in affect today. Jews practically own this country. Thier lifestyle is based upon the Laws that were givin to Moses, by GOD ,applied in every aspect of thier life, from how to raise thier children, to to treat one another even how to handle business. But honestly man is judging what is good and evil, right and wrong, fair and unfair... based on our own human emotions and feelings. How can a man years ago marry 12 and 13 year old girls, but in this day and age be considered pedofiles(not that I agree with this subject, I think it's disgusting and wrong) but years ago. If I would've been brought up in that time, I would've gone right along with it. What qualifies us to judge right and wrong in a world we didn't create. And, Gnostic,we are fragile and complex...his people were too fragile to hold steadfast to the Laws he left. They were too hard to live by to the "T". And that separated GOD from his people. But that's the whole reason he sent his son Jesus. To dwell among man and teach them how to get back to the Father, but from thier level. And "Moonwater" I'd much rather be a slave to GOD than a slave to man...cuz rather people wanna believe or not most of us are slaves to something; JOBS. Whether it's a 9to 5 making $9 an hour or a basketball star makin $9,000,000 a yr. in order to maintain your lifestyle you are subject unto that job(most of us) You gonna be there when you told to. you gonna go home when you're told to. If you have to stack boxes all day.. that's what you are goin to do...Sarraphims singing praises to GOD in heaven for eternity sounds alot better than stacking boxes all day on earth for a man who at his will could fire you, leave you unable to pay your rent,and you end up living on the street.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Zion_Lion08

"Freewill" gives you the right to chose whether you want to be a servant of GOD or not. What was ever created without a purpose? Those sarraphim, Riverwolf, were created to do exactly what they are doing. As were all the angels. Whether it was to praise HIM for all eternity, battle, or be messengers. They are serving thier purpose. Adam was put in the Garden of Eden to "dress it and to keep it"[gen.2:15] For all we know that could've been the purpose of man; to dress and keep, this magnificent creation we call "Earth". But GOD dosen't want a servant that dosen't want to be HIS servant so you were giving "freewill". That's why He chose Abraham(and his seed) to be HIS people, because Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son in obedience to GOD. And GOD knew that Abraham loved and would teach his seed after after to love GOD. Abraham could've just as anyone else said" no, I'm not going to sacrifice my child" and went on about his business. But he wouldn't have received the blessings from GOD that we still see in affect today. Jews practically own this country. Thier lifestyle is based upon the Laws that were givin to Moses, by GOD ,applied in every aspect of thier life, from how to raise thier children, to to treat one another even how to handle business. But honestly man is judging what is good and evil, right and wrong, fair and unfair... based on our own human emotions and feelings. How can a man years ago marry 12 and 13 year old girls, but in this day and age be considered pedofiles(not that I agree with this subject, I think it's disgusting and wrong) but years ago. If I would've been brought up in that time, I would've gone right along with it. What qualifies us to judge right and wrong in a world we didn't create. And, Gnostic,we are fragile and complex...his people were too fragile to hold steadfast to the Laws he left. They were too hard to live by to the "T". And that separated GOD from his people. But that's the whole reason he sent his son Jesus. To dwell among man and teach them how to get back to the Father, but from thier level. And "Moonwater" I'd much rather be a slave to GOD than a slave to man...cuz rather people wanna believe or not most of us are slaves to something; JOBS. Whether it's a 9to 5 making $9 an hour or a basketball star makin $9,000,000 a yr. in order to maintain your lifestyle you are subject unto that job(most of us) You gonna be there when you told to. you gonna go home when you're told to. If you have to stack boxes all day.. that's what you are goin to do...Sarraphims singing praises to GOD in heaven for eternity sounds alot better than stacking boxes all day on earth for a man who at his will could fire you, leave you unable to pay your rent,and you end up living on the street.

The <ENTER> key is your best friend.

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Zion_Lion08

"Freewill" gives you the right to chose whether you want to be a servant of GOD or not. What was ever created without a purpose? Those sarraphim, Riverwolf, were created to do exactly what they are doing. As were all the angels. Whether it was to praise HIM for all eternity, battle, or be messengers. They are serving thier purpose. Adam was put in the Garden of Eden to "dress it and to keep it"[gen.2:15] For all we know that could've been the purpose of man; to dress and keep, this magnificent creation we call "Earth". But GOD dosen't want a servant that dosen't want to be HIS servant so you were giving "freewill". That's why He chose Abraham(and his seed) to be HIS people, because Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son in obedience to GOD. And GOD knew that Abraham loved and would teach his seed after after to love GOD. Abraham could've just as anyone else said" no, I'm not going to sacrifice my child" and went on about his business. But he wouldn't have received the blessings from GOD that we still see in affect today. Jews practically own this country. Thier lifestyle is based upon the Laws that were givin to Moses, by GOD ,applied in every aspect of thier life, from how to raise thier children, to to treat one another even how to handle business. But honestly man is judging what is good and evil, right and wrong, fair and unfair... based on our own human emotions and feelings. How can a man years ago marry 12 and 13 year old girls, but in this day and age be considered pedofiles(not that I agree with this subject, I think it's disgusting and wrong) but years ago. If I would've been brought up in that time, I would've gone right along with it. What qualifies us to judge right and wrong in a world we didn't create. And, Gnostic,we are fragile and complex...his people were too fragile to hold steadfast to the Laws he left. They were too hard to live by to the "T". And that separated GOD from his people. But that's the whole reason he sent his son Jesus. To dwell among man and teach them how to get back to the Father, but from thier level. And "Moonwater" I'd much rather be a slave to GOD than a slave to man...cuz rather people wanna believe or not most of us are slaves to something; JOBS. Whether it's a 9to 5 making $9 an hour or a basketball star makin $9,000,000 a yr. in order to maintain your lifestyle you are subject unto that job(most of us) You gonna be there when you told to. you gonna go home when you're told to. If you have to stack boxes all day.. that's what you are goin to do...Sarraphims singing praises to GOD in heaven for eternity sounds alot better than stacking boxes all day on earth for a man who at his will could fire you, leave you unable to pay your rent,and you end up living on the street.

I have to disagree with you there. I guess we both want different things. You want to be a servant, I want to be free. I cannot be free, for no god can grant me that. Even YHWH isn't free, bound by his covenant with the Jews. I desire what even the gods cannot have, so I cannot have it either.

I wish to carve out my own purpose. The gods don't do that for me.

Besides, was it not written, "A man shall break from his father and cling to his wife and they shall become one."? (Gen 2:24) So in the end, we break from that which created us so that we can create our own life?

And Seraphim don't do anything except sing hymns. The ones that do all the work are the Cherubim as they ride around Paradise on the Orophim. I do know the first tier of the Celestial Order, and if I were to somehow get into Paradise, not likely nor desired frankly, I'd rather be like to the Cherubim, who actually do stuff.

[Zion_Lion08]

I respect opinion though I don't fully understand. Free from what exactly?

[Riverwolf]

Originally Posted by Zion_Lion08

I respect opinion though I don't fully understand. Free from what exactly?

As you respect my opinion, I shall respect yours.

Free from all the bonds of reality. Free from life, free from death, free from having to eat, having to drink, being nailed to the ground by gravity, unable to breath in space or underwater, unable to accelerate to the speed of light to go wherever I want, free from time, etc...

[MoonWater]

Originally Posted by Zion_Lion08

And "Moonwater" I'd much rather be a slave to GOD than a slave to man...cuz rather people wanna believe or not most of us are slaves to something; JOBS. Whether it's a 9to 5 making $9 an hour or a basketball star makin $9,000,000 a yr. in order to maintain your lifestyle you are subject unto that job(most of us) You gonna be there when you told to. you gonna go home when you're told to. If you have to stack boxes all day.. that's what you are goin to do...Sarraphims singing praises to GOD in heaven for eternity sounds alot better than stacking boxes all day on earth for a man who at his will could fire you, leave you unable to pay your rent,and you end up living on the street.

Except I'm not a slave to my job. I can leave whenever I want and get another job or choose to not work at all. I could make money through playing video games(video game testing) or the stock market so I wouldn't have to have a "real" job or I could choose to live out in the wilderness, surviving on wits alone. Nor am I a slave to any man as there is no one who can order me around not even my boss. I may do what she tells me but out of personal choice. I could always say no and the worst I'll get is fired from that job. If a slave said no to his owner/master he is liable to get beaten or killed or even(in the case of a God as master) cast into hell. Heck I'd prefer the fires of hell to being a slave to ANY God. Your new here and so probably didn't see the signature I had before my current one but it illustrates my stance on this quite well... "if ever I bow down before a God it will be out of respect and never submission."