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Old 06-17-2008, 05:25 PM
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Default The problem with the bible.
Or at least my problem with it.


The bible is some 2,000 years old so then is not telling just how long those who found it had it in their possession. It is believed that the bible is the inspired writings of God written by man. So how do you know that those who had the original text in their possessions did not alter it in some way?
After all, are you not putting your trust in man & not the Christian God?
What about the translations in the bible? One word can have multitude meanings depending on how it is used. Besides why would God relay on a book to get his message out?
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Or at least my problem with it.


The bible is some 2,000 years old so then is not telling just how long those who found it had it in their possession. It is believed that the bible is the inspired writings of God written by man. So how do you know that those who had the original text in their possessions did not alter it in some way?
After all, are you not putting your trust in man & not the Christian God?
What about the translations in the bible? One word can have multitude meanings depending on how it is used. Besides why would God relay on a book to get his message out?
The problem with this is that the only source that tells us that these men were "inspired by God" is THEM!!! it is in their own writings that these claims exist. Sort of like taking a murderer's statement as the only premise to decide that he is not guilty...
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The problem with this is that the only source that tells us that these men were "inspired by God" is THEM!!! it is in their own writings that these claims exist. Sort of like taking a murderer's statement as the only premise to decide that he is not guilty...
The same reason, historians, explorers, and others wrote journals and history books it was the only source that told us that they had made a discovery. All we have are the claims they made that they really did a certain thing at a certain time, on a certain day and at a certain place...Why should we believe these men and not believe the prophets?..What makes a history book right and the Bible wrong? I'm sure there are flaws in both...Anything handed down for years and translated into different languages will have some errors.
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The problem with the Bible is that it is TOO AWESOME!

If it wasn't God-inspired, then I'm going to have to come up with a better reason for it always helping me in every situation every time I make the choice to read it for advice/guidance, every time.
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Man, OF COURSE! Why didn't everyone else already come up with that?

There's no way I could argue my personal experience against yours. I wouldn't expect you to. But you should know better than to insinuate that I am automatically fooling myself. Unless you would prefer me to automatically consider YOU fooled for not believing what I believe...

Edit: Also, you apparently missed my use of the word EVERY.
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Man, OF COURSE! Why didn't everyone else already come up with that?

There's no way I could argue my personal experience against yours. I wouldn't expect you to. But you should know better than to insinuate that I am automatically fooling myself. Unless you would prefer me to automatically consider YOU fooled for not believing what I believe...

Edit: Also, you apparently missed my use of the word EVERY.
I get the impression you're preaching here.
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The bible is some 2,000 years old so then is not telling just how long those who found it had it in their possession.


Why not?

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It is believed that the bible is the inspired writings of God written by man. So how do you know that those who had the original text in their possessions did not alter it in some way?
We have the science of textual criticism, which has traced every possible change in every extant copy we have of the New Testament. We find 99.5% agreement. Of course, there's a short gap between the first extant copy and the actual first copy (the autograph). However, to posit radical revisions in that period when none appear in the copies we have stretches credulity a tad.

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After all, are you not putting your trust in man & not the Christian God?
If the action of God was to preserve his written word as penned by men, then there's little distinction between putting faith in God and faith in men.

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What about the translations in the bible? One word can have multitude meanings depending on how it is used.
That's why professional translations are done in committees at the hand of scholars who are widely regarded as competent. These same professional translations will put alternative renderings in the footnotes so readers can see where the tricky bits are. And by comparing multiple translations, we can see the range of meanings possible. So I just don't see why people should have a problem with translations.

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Who says he has? The existence of the bible doesn't mean that God is "relying" on it overmuch. There's also the church's living witness to Christ's redeeming presence in the world.
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The bible is some 2,000 years old
Theres the problem with the bible right there IMO
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