contradictions in the bible??? (Jesus, moral, punishment, Moses, Earth)

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

Did Jesus die before, during, or after Passover?

(For current purposes, we'll say that Passover refers to the night of the feast of unleavened bread, not the whole 7 days.)

Matthew Mark and Luke say after, suggesting that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder (feast of unleavened bread).

John says it was the preparation of the passover. This could either mean only a few hours before passover began, or only a few hours before the sabbath during the week of Passover.

John also calls it a "great sabbath". There is only one "great sabbath"... and that is the sabbath BEFORE Passover...

So what's the deal? When did Jesus die in relation to the passover?

People have argued about that for centuries.

In the conflict between the Christian West and the Christian East over whether to use unleavened or leavened bread in the Eucharist, the West pointed out that the Last Supper was, after all, a Passover seder, so Jesus undoubtedly used unleavened bread. The East pointed out that since the Last Supper wasn't a seder but an ordinary meal, Jesus undoubtedly used leavened bread. As you point out, the New Testament says both.

[crystalonyx]

Originally Posted by Scott1

Hey... I have have good news:

He is Risen.

I have even better news, he never existed.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

People have argued about that for centuries.

In the conflict between the Christian West and the Christian East over whether to use unleavened or leavened bread in the Eucharist, the West pointed out that the Last Supper was, after all, a Passover seder, so Jesus undoubtedly used unleavened bread. The East pointed out that since the Last Supper wasn't a seder but an ordinary meal, Jesus undoubtedly used leavened bread. As you point out, the New Testament says both.

I just noticed: Scott gave us the answer to this puzzle, but we all missed it:

Originally Posted by Scott1

Hey... I have have good news:

He is Risen.

See? He is risen... i.e. leavened. John was right, and Matthew, Mark and Luke were wrong.

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady

Check out IMDB.com (internet movie database) and see what great lengths people go through to find goofs in every movie ever made.

I'm worried that my previous post wasn't clear....I was sort of siding with you....there are certainly errors and contradictions in the Bible (by any reasonable definition of "error" or "contradiction"), as you have pointed out.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Mr Spinkles

I'm worried that my previous post wasn't clear....I was sort of siding with you....there are certainly errors and contradictions in the Bible (by any reasonable definition of "error" or "contradiction"), as you have pointed out.

I know... I was just adding a little bit for effect.

[spiritually inclined]

Okay, so Thou shalt not kill should be translated, Do no murder.

Still, I think 1 Samuel 15:2-3 meets the definition of murder.

15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ***.

One could argue that murder is culturally defined. Most fundamentalists tell me that the Amalekite women, men, infants, babies, ox, sheep, camels, and donkeys deserved to die because of what their ancestors did to Isreal on the way up from Egypt hundreds of years ago (v. 2).

Honestly, I don't think that's a good reason to kill people. I would hope that I couldn't be put to death by American law because my grandfather, a man who died before I was born and whom I never met, molested his daughter and abused his wife.

The scripture also mentions God's command to kill infants and babies. I would hope even more that my children wouldn't be put to death for my ancestor's actions.

If that isn't murder, I don't know what is!

James

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by spiritually inclined

Okay, so Thou shalt not kill should be translated, Do no murder.

Still, I think 1 Samuel 15:2-3 meets the definition of murder.

I have brought up the quote from 1 Samuel 15, repeatedly, to prove that God is unjust, but always failed to get response from Christians, by side-stepping the issue. Good luck to you.

[Mister Emu]

Most fundamentalists tell me that the Amalekite women, men, infants, babies, ox, sheep, camels, and donkeys deserved to die because of what their ancestors did to Isreal on the way up from Egypt hundreds of years ago

That is not what I would argue... I would argue that it isn't murder because God commanded it, not because of what may have occured previously...