contradictions in the bible??? (Jesus, moral, punishment, Moses, Earth)

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Amateur Christianity? You must mean Mormonism!

Have you seen your temples??? No... I am not referring to any organization that owns real estate.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

This made me chuckle. Your imaginative flights of fancy are ANYTHING but common sense. Well, Sir Assumption, you have provided no evidence for these conjectures of yours. I reject them outright as being completely unsubstantiated. You are the paradigm of knowledge on all things Christian: but only in your own mind.

The evidence is right here on this forum... or any forum where religion is discussed. Non-Christians who don't see the bible the same way Christians do are frequently told that they are blind, bereft of knowledge, without the holy spirit thus unable to understand scripture, etc... Don't believe it if you don't want to.

You could also choose not to believe that the gas station down the street from me charges $4.19 for regular... but when I go to fill up later today, I'll know that it is so.

I've seen various shades of christian missionaries... from Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses, to street preachers, to Jews for Jesus... and they all base their efforts on the fact that the person they're trying to convert is ignorant of the scriptures.

If they can wow them with everlasting life in heaven with Jesus, they don't actually need to sit down and read the book.

There's a passage in the gospels.. In Matthew 2:23 it says "And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."

A person ignorant of such things would say "wow, that's amazing... the prophets said it, and it was. wow."

I, not being ignorant, know that the prophets never said such a thing. That's why people like me don't convert to Christianity... and that's why the people who didn't convert to Christianity 2000 years ago didn't convert to Christianity.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

That's false.

You are an amateur as long as you don't get paid. You might be an accomplished or even an expert ark builder, but that has no bearing on you being a professional.

Didn't Noah get paid for his work? In exchange for building an Ark, he and his family got to live while everyone died. Seems to me that he got paid better than most professionals.

And how long do you think that the Ark would have stayed afloat after an iceberg hit like the one that sunk the Titanic?

Edit: maybe I'm reading too much into the analogy.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

The evidence is right here on this forum... or any forum where religion is discussed. Non-Christians who don't see the bible the same way Christians do are frequently told that they are blind, bereft of knowledge, without the holy spirit thus unable to understand scripture, etc... Don't believe it if you don't want to.

And those who claim to be Christian are frequently told that they believe in myths and are stupid. But this is merely a straw man argument. You have no evidence to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

You could also choose not to believe that the gas station down the street from me charges $4.19 for regular... but when I go to fill up later today, I'll know that it is so.

Boy, are YOU in for a surprise. Gas is going up, Bubba.

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

I've seen various shades of christian missionaries... from Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses, to street preachers, to Jews for Jesus... and they all base their efforts on the fact that the person they're trying to convert is ignorant of the scriptures.

Do you have signed confessionals here, or just MORE of your assumptions? I'll bet on the latter.

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

If they can wow them with everlasting life in heaven with Jesus, they don't actually need to sit down and read the book.

Who needs a book to love others?

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

There's a passage in the gospels.. In Matthew 2:23 it says "And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."

A person ignorant of such things would say "wow, that's amazing... the prophets said it, and it was. wow."

I, not being ignorant, know that the prophets never said such a thing. That's why people like me don't convert to Christianity... and that's why the people who didn't convert to Christianity 2000 years ago didn't convert to Christianity.

Hmnnn... you think the OT has all of the prophets in them? How quaint. Where does it claim to have the words of all of the prophets? Sir Assumption strikes again.

Well, that was fun. We got to obliterate a few assumptions as an after dinner snack.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin

Didn't Noah get paid for his work?

No matter how you twist it: no, he did not.

[Big_TJ]

Here is another more sohpisticated contradiction:

John 8:1-11

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."


"This passage however is absent from the earliest manuscripts. Nowhere does it appear in the Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus and most of the later Greek manuscripts also omit it. In some manuscripts it appears not in the gospel of John but in Luke (after Luke 21:38)! All the earliest translations of the Bible, the Syriac, the Coptic and Armenian versions are all agreed in not including the passage. The passage was unknown to Christian writers before Ambrose (340-397) and Augustine (354-430). These considerations show conclusively that we have here another late and fraudulent insertion into the Bible. That it is still not taken out from the Bible today is a modern example of what Gibbon called "honest bigotry" (Bentley, Secrets of Mount Sinai: p130)".

Rejection of Pascal's Wager:Unauthentic Texts in the New Testament

In other words, where have the 66 books of the bible containing information that was never in the writings on which the 66 books were based.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

Do you have signed confessionals here, or just MORE of your assumptions? I'll bet on the latter.

For your own sake, don't ever to go Vegas. You'll be ruined.