contradictions in the bible??? (Jesus, moral, punishment, Moses, Earth) - Page 30

Jeremy Mason · #**291** 05-25-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

I already did. In fact, it was the first thing I ever posted here at RF, aside from my introductory post. Of the four posts I have in this thread ,it's in the first... which is about 6 posts ago. You quoted it in your first reply to me.

But, if you have to ask, I'll do it again.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Sorry, my bad. Thanks for reposting.
Well you certainly make a good point. I still see the plausibility of a three day scenario.

Poisonshady313 · #**292** 05-26-2008, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Sorry, my bad. Thanks for reposting.
Well you certainly make a good point.

Thank you.

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I still see the plausibility of a three day scenario.

How's that?
Was Jesus lying when he gave the sign of Jonah?
Was it just a typo made by Matthew?
Were all the gospels wrong in saying he died just before the Sabbath (Friday before sunset)?

Jeremy Mason · #**293** 05-26-2008, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

Thank you.

How's that?
Was Jesus lying when he gave the sign of Jonah?
Was it just a typo made by Matthew?
Were all the gospels wrong in saying he died just before the Sabbath (Friday before sunset)?

I'm just saying that on the third day after he died, Friday, Saturday and on Sunday he rose. To the average person and to many Christian scholars, Sunday qualifies. I'm not saying it meets all your criteria.

Poisonshady313 · #**294** 05-26-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

I'm just saying that on the third day after he died, Friday, Saturday and on Sunday he rose. To the average person and to many Christian scholars, Sunday qualifies. I'm not saying it meets all your criteria.

It's not MY criteria. But I get what you mean.

I've discussed this on another forum... and the very person who brought up the whole "sign of Jonah" issue kept ignoring it, pointing only to the various verses which said "third day."

I'm rather curious what the good people here at religiousforums.com have to say.

Jeremy Mason · #**295** 05-26-2008, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

It's not MY criteria. But I get what you mean.

I've discussed this on another forum... and the very person who brought up the whole "sign of Jonah" issue kept ignoring it, pointing only to the various verses which said "third day."

I'm rather curious what the good people here at religiousforums.com have to say.

Another thing that crossed my mind, maybe Jesus was crucified on Thursday. I'll have to do some studying.

Jeremy Mason · #**296** 05-26-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

Another thing that crossed my mind, maybe Jesus was crucified on Thursday. I'll have to do some studying.

I answered my own question.
Matthew 26:1-2 (NIV)
1When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2"As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified."

Poisonshady313 · #**297** 05-26-2008, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

I answered my own question.
Matthew 26:1-2 (NIV)
1When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2"As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified."

For the tomb to be empty on Saturday night/Sunday morning... let's count backwards.

Saturday- day
Friday- night
Friday- day
Thursday- night
Thursday- day
Wednesday- night

This means Jesus needed to have died and been buried on Wednesday before sundown.

But there is another problem. John calls the time before which Jesus must be killed the "Great Sabbath". There is only one day of the year which can be called Great Sabbath, and that begins the friday night before Passover. (Google the words "Shabbat haGadol)

Poisonshady313 · #**298** 05-26-2008, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy Mason

I answered my own question.
Matthew 26:1-2 (NIV)
1When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2"As you know, the Passover is two days away—and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified."

This cannot mean that Jesus said he will be crucified on Passover... this looks like two different events being listed in chronological order.

To paraphrase, As you know, the Passover is two days away, and after that the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified"

How can I say this?
Matthew 26:

17 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"
18 He replied, "Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, 'The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.' "
19 So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.
20 When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve.
21 And while they were eating, he said, "I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me."

This means that the crucifixion could not have happened just before Passover.

gnostic · #**299** 05-26-2008, 01:22 AM

When was Passover, back then?

Did Jesus have his "Last Supper" on the night of Passover?

If so why is Good Friday and Easter are never in the week of Passover?

And isn't Sabbath on Saturday?

It's all rather screwy, trying to follow what the gospels say and what the people are saying here.

I'm so confused.....