God is omnipresent and Omniscient, is concept biblical??? (Jesus, ritual)

[uss_bigd]

My take on the matter is posted below, let me know what you think.


Now about God being Omniscient. it is defined as "having complete or unlimited knowledge, awareness, or understanding; perceiving all things."

Do you believe in free will? do you know what the purpose of the gospel is? let's work with logic before i go biblical ok?

People have free will, therefore has the ability to choose between good and evil. if there is one thing that God does not know of, its what a person will choose.

To corroborate this point, look at Jesus' instructions to Paul:

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

If God already knows what people will choose then the spreading of the gospel and its purpose is one big stage play! but he doesn't. The Just God ofthe bible wants people to Follow him "volutarily" and he uses the gospel to guide them with their CHOICE/

Here is an example of something that God did not know

Jer 19:4-5 (CEV)

The people of Judah stopped worshiping me and made this valley into a place of worship for Baal and other gods that have never helped them or their ancestors or their kings. And they have committed murder here, burning their young, innocent children as sacrifices to Baal. I have never even thought of telling you to do that.

Jer 19:5 (NIV)

They have built the high places of Baal to burn their sons in the fire as offerings to Baal—something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind.




Now about God being omnipresent tht is defined as "present everywhere at the same time: the omnipresent God'

Who will be firm with me that God is in prostitution dens? or in casinos? in the las vegas strip? I will tell you who is in those places, see this:

James 3:14-16

But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

Where there is envy, slefisness, envy, and strife there is the devil. So where is God then?


I should give you the burden of biblical proof, but look at this:

1. Matthew 5:16
   Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
2. Matthew 5:45
   That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
3. Matthew 5:48
   Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
4. Matthew 6:1
   Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
5. Matthew 6:9
   After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Basic reading comprehension will tell us that The Father is in heaven. do you want to know which is every where?

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

[angellous_evangellous]

Being biblical hardly matters. People believe what makes them feel warm and fuzzy.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

Being biblical hardly matters. People believe what makes them feel warm and fuzzy.

yeah, I've heard that before!

[Mister Emu]

Omniscience and free will do not contradict... if God did not know the decisions people would make there could be no prophecy, but there was/is.

Also, read Psalm 139:7 you cannot run from the presence of God, for He is everywhere... Also Jeremiah 23:24 says God fills the heaven and earth...

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Omniscience and free will do not contradict... if God did not know the decisions people would make there could be no prophecy, but there was/is.

He knew there will be alot of evil. that is why there is prophecy. I was referring to the individual person.

God cannot know if a particular person will choose to do evil or good in his heart until he decides.

look at these:

Jeremiah 7:31 (King James Version)


And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

and

Jeremiah 19:5

They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

This people at tophet went out to burn their children in the fire, this never even came to God's heart or mind. he didn't know. God wouldn't know if some people will try to do the same again.

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Also, read Psalm 139:7 you cannot run from the presence of God, for He is everywhere... Also Jeremiah 23:24 says God fills the heaven and earth...

Psalm 139:7

7 Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?

David was referring to God's spirit, not God himself. God's spirit are sent out to the earth and to people you know? here are the proofs that the spirit og God are indeed sent.

1. Revelation 5:6
   And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
2. 1 Samuel 19:20
   And Saul sent messengers to take David: and when they saw the company of the prophets prophesying, and Samuel standing as appointed over them, the Spirit of God was upon the messengers of Saul, and they also prophesied.
3. Isaiah 48:16
   Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Notice that God's spirit is a seperate entity in this verse.

1. Isaiah 61:1
   The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2. John 3:34
   For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

I am woring in jer 23:24... please stand by... thanks!

[Mister Emu]

He knew there will be alot of evil. that is why there is prophecy. I was referring to the individual person.

I am referring to the individual person too... Psalm 22:18 prophecies the soldiers rending Jesus's garments and casting lots for his vesture. That is pretty specific and God would have to know that those people would choose to do that before they actually did it...

David was referring to God's spirit, not God himself.

What about the part "Wither shall I flee from thy presence. Also it continues with verse 8 "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Also Jeremiah 23:24 says God fills the heaven and earth...

This verse does not mean God is all over the earth. its more like you filling a glass of water with water. but you are not in the glass. see my point? the question is what does God fill the earth? i will look up a biblical answer for you sir.

Now, i will give you one other place where God does not dwell.

Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

Acts 7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,


and can the earth contain God?

Kings 8:27
27"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold,heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you; how much less this house that I have built!

a corroborating verse for kings 8:27 is this

Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I am referring to the individual person too... Psalm 22:18 prophecies the soldiers rending Jesus's garments and casting lots for his vesture. That is pretty specific and God would have to know that those people would choose to do that before they actually did it...


What about the part "Wither shall I flee from thy presence. Also it continues with verse 8 "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."

ok, I hope we are good with the 'God is everywhere part" already...

Now, this about the God knows everything part I will deal with the new verses you gave me in a moment. but if i may ask what is not sufficient in the verses below to prove my point?


Jeremiah 7:31 (King James Version)


And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.

and

Jeremiah 19:5

They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

What about the part "Wither shall I flee from thy presence. Also it continues with verse 8 "If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there."

Again, the Spirit of God and God himself are seperate entities. David was referring to God's spirit beng with him all the time. besides, David is not everywhere right?

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I am referring to the individual person too... Psalm 22:18 prophecies the soldiers rending Jesus's garments and casting lots for his vesture. That is pretty specific and God would have to know that those people would choose to do that before they actually did it...

Psalms are songs sir, not prophecies....