God is omnipresent and Omniscient, is concept biblical??? (Jesus, ritual)

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Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Not necessarily, I dwell in my house, but that is contingent on making the payments and paying the property taxes...

But the definition remains, to dwell means to remian in one place atleast for a time. since God does not dwell in temples made by human hands. it means he does not remain their even for a time.

The verse that stated God is "there when 2 or three gather in his name" implies God's presence is "contingent to circumstances (the gathering)"

therefore it does not change the meaning of the verse that God does not dwell in temples made by human hands. therefore God is not everywhere.

Being in heaven does not preclude being on earth as well

it can't mean being on earth too, being in heaven is being in heaven.

[Mister Emu]

But the definition remains, to dwell means to remian in one place atleast for a time. since God does not dwell in temples made by human hands. it means he does not remain their even for a time.

The verse that stated God is "there when 2 or three gather in his name" implies God's presence is "contingent to circumstances (the gathering)"

therefore it does not change the meaning of the verse that God does not dwell in temples made by human hands. therefore God is not everywhere.

"does not remain for even a time" and "remains there as long as two or more are gathered in His name" are two contradictory statements...

God fills the heavens and the earth, therefore God is everywhere.

it can't mean being on earth too, being in heaven is being in heaven.

And being in heaven does not preclude God from being on earth. Just like God being on earth does not preclude God from being in heaven.

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Originally Posted by Mister Emu

"does not remain for even a time" and "remains there as long as two or more are gathered in His name" are two contradictory statements...

Being present on gatherings does not mean he dwells in the place of gathering. hence, the verse "does not dwell in temples made by human hands" remains to mean as it means to the letter.

God fills the heavens and the earth, therefore God is everywhere.

He fills the earth with love or by plaques if he wants to punish people. he can fill the earth with disasters or whatever. but he cannot fill the earth with himself, because that will render him to be in temples which he does not dwell in.

And being in heaven does not preclude God from being on earth. Just like God being on earth does not preclude God from being in heaven.

He is in heaven though, "our Father thou art in heaven"

replies in blue, Good morning Mr. Emu!

[Mister Emu]

Being present on gatherings does not mean he dwells in the place of gathering. hence, the verse "does not dwell in temples made by human hands" remains to mean as it means to the letter.

If dwell is to mean "remain in a place for at least a time" then God dwells in the temples when people gather there in His name... Either your definition of dwell is incorrect, or your understanding of the verse(s) needs revising.

he cannot fill the earth with himself, because that will render him to be in temples which he does not dwell in.

At what point does existing within become dwells?

He is in heaven though, "our Father thou art in heaven"

Yes He is, He is also on earth too

Good morning Mr. Emu!

Good morning

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

If dwell is to mean "remain in a place for at least a time" then God dwells in the temples when people gather there in His name... Either your definition of dwell is incorrect, or your understanding of the verse(s) needs revising.

Dwelling is not contingent to a circumstance like " 2 or 3 people gathering in his name. to dwell means to remain in the dwelling place for a time with no determining circumstances required.

At what point does existing within become dwells?

You have to exists in one place for you dwell there.

Yes He is, He is also on earth too

Then why didn't the prayer say "our father thou art in heaven and earth"?

[Mister Emu]

to dwell means to remain in the dwelling place for a time with no determining circumstances required.

Good, since I don't dwell in my house, yet it is my permanent residence, then God can permanently reside in a place without dwelling in it...

You have to exists in one place for you dwell there.

Yes, now at what point does existing in a place become dwelling in a place?

Then why didn't the prayer say "our father thou art in heaven and earth"?

I don't know. But it is quite clear that God is both on earth and heaven...

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Good, since I don't dwell in my house, yet it is my permanent residence, then God can permanently reside in a place without dwelling in it...

Our idea of permanent residence does not apply to God...

Yes, now at what point does existing in a place become dwelling in a place?

If you remain in a place with with no dependence to circumstance (like when two or three gather in God's name')

I don't know. But it is quite clear that God is both on earth and heaven...

Where is it explicitly written? like " our faher thou art in heaven" ?

[Mister Emu]

Our idea of permanent residence does not apply to God...

Neither does our idea of dwell...

Where is it explicitly written? like " our faher thou art in heaven" ?

When it says God dwells in me...

If you remain in a place with with no dependence to circumstance (like when two or three gather in God's name')

Alright, since you give Dwell this definition, what is to stop God from permanently residing in temples dependant on circumstance?