God is omnipresent and Omniscient, is concept biblical??? (Jesus, ritual)

[Mister Emu]

He is there when Christain comes together. may or may not be in temple.

Ok so do we now agree that 'dwell' does not mean "merely be present in"?

I believe it teaches that God is not solely in the house(s) of worship. That is to say, no one can claim "This is where God is. He is not where you are, this is His home." God is present for all men everywhere, you don't need to go somewhere special to be with Him.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I believe it teaches that God is not solely in the house(s) of worship. That is to say, no one can claim "This is where God is. He is not where you are, this is His home." God is present for all men everywhere, you don't need to go somewhere special to be with Him.

I agree that you don't have to be somewhere special to be with God.

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Ok so do we now agree that 'dwell' does not mean "merely be present in"?

Dwells mean to "remain" for a time with no conditions. so going back to the "question is God everywhere." I don't think God will remain anywhere when the christians who gathered for his name hs left. aside from the verse the explicitly states God does not dwell in temples made by hands.

God is not every where, He is in heaven. 'our Father thou art IN HEAVEN"

[Mister Emu]

I agree that you don't have to be somewhere special to be with God.

Dwells mean to "remain" for a time with no conditions.

Not necessarily, I dwell in my house, but that is contingent on making the payments and paying the property taxes...

God is not every where, He is in heaven. 'our Father thou art IN HEAVEN"

Being in heaven does not preclude being on earth as well...

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by logician

THe problem is, there is no evidence a Jesus remotely fitting the fictitious stories of the NT ever existed, certianly, no "miracle" worker ever existed, other than in the minds of imaginative religious writers.

If Jesus didn't work miracles then Judaism would have quickly pointed that out. I have not read any Jewish writings of that time that say that Jesus didn't work miracles.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Not necessarily, I dwell in my house, but that is contingent on making the payments and paying the property taxes...


Being in heaven does not preclude being on earth as well...

Ok, how would you interpret the verse that says " God does not dwell in temples made by hands?

How can this explained to mean God is also in temples all the time as he is everywhere?

[Mister Emu]

How can this explained to mean God is also in temples all the time as he is everywhere?

I explained my view in post #41...

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I explained my view in post #41...

Sir, that was your explianation for Mat 18:20.

We agreed that God is an a temple if christians gather in his name.

I argued that once they leave, will God remain in the temple? no, becausethe verse you provided had a condition ' for where two or three are gathered in my name" the verse says

The answer is no, hence God is not everywhere because that verse you provided cannot imply that God is in a temple all the time. He is there only if christians gather together.

Now, it is your turn to interpret the verse i provided to mean that God remains in temples to support your claim that he is everywhere.

Acts 17:24 (NIV)
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.

I can agree with you that God will go there for a time, especially if there is a christian gathering. but does he remain there? he must in so that your claim that he is every where can be supported. but the verse explcitly states he does it live in temples made by hands.

Come one man. if you are looking for John Doe on 13 Elm street. the person living there says " he doesnot live here anymore' is John Doe there? of course not sir. come on mister Emu, it is the bible that says so, not me.

[Mister Emu]

Acts 17:24 (NIV)
"The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.

This:

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I believe it teaches that God is not solely in the house(s) of worship. That is to say, no one can claim "This is where God is. He is not where you are, this is His home." God is present for all men everywhere, you don't need to go somewhere special to be with Him.

Is my understanding of the verses that say "God doesn't dwell in temples made by human hands"...

Come one man. if you are looking for John Doe on 13 Elm street. the person living there says " he doesnot live here anymore' is John Doe there? of course not sir.

Exactly, when you live somewhere it is exclusive, as opposed to living elsewheres, God does not exist anywhere(temples are where people generally claim God lives) as opposed to somewherew else.

. come on mister Emu, it is the bible that says so, not

The Bible also says that He fills the earth, that must include the temples, or it would not be filling the earth...

So we have two contradictory understandings of scripture... You obviously don't believe the direct statement of "God fills the earth" to literally mean that. I do.

You believe that when the Bible says that "God doesn't dwell in temples made by human hands" it means God doesn't exist there permanently. I do not ascribe to that interpretation.

I don't believe we will be changing each other's minds on this, as we both have scriputal backing for our positions, so I respectfully suggest that we 'agree to disagree'

[logician]