God is omnipresent and Omniscient, is concept biblical??? (Jesus, ritual)

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Now, I admit, I don't know the tradition of scholastic interpretation of much of the Bible, but I read it like this: They built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons as offering to Baal, which I did not command, nor did I speak it, nor did I think of it. Not that He didn't know what was going on.

He knew what was going on when it happened, but it did not come to his mind that it will happen.

[Mister Emu]

David was referring to God's spirit beng with him all the time.

I disagree, David was speaking to God, to the LORD when He said, whither shall I feel from thy presence, not a seperate spirit of God.

David is not everywhere right?

I never said that. But where ever David might go, God was/is present.

Psalms are songs sir, not prophecies....

I believe that one was a prophecy...

But even conceding you do not, John 6:64 states that Jesus knew from the beginning who would and would not believe Him and who would betray Him...

[Mister Emu]

He knew what was going on when it happened, but it did not come to his mind that it will happen

No, more as "the thought never crossed my mind". Right before the contentious phrase God says, "Which I did not command, nor did I speak it", followed by, "neither did it come into my mind". I think the final part is related to the previous two. I did not command it, nor I did not speak it, neither did I think of it.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

I disagree, David was speaking to God, to the LORD when He said, whither shall I feel from thy presence, not a seperate spirit of God.

So, you do not believe that God and God spirit are seperate beings?

I never said that. But where ever David might go, God was/is present.

Because the spirit goes where he goes. not because the spirit is aready at the place where David will go.

I believe that one was a prophecy...

Psalms is another word of songs

But even conceding you do not, John 6:64 states that Jesus knew from the beginning who would and would not believe Him and who would betray Him...

He was referring to the 12 apostles ony not every one, Judas iscariot to be specific.

Replies in pink sir, thanks!

[Mister Emu]

So, you do not believe that God and God spirit are seperate beings?

Not as in the Father and the Holy Spirit, but maybe there are spirits of God that are different...
But that isn't the point, in Pslam 139 David uses the words "O LORD" and "O God" throughtout, making it clear who he was referring to in the psalm. YHWH.

He was referring to the 12 apostles ony not every one, Judas iscariot to be specific.

I understand He was referring to Judas Iscariot as the betrayer, but the other part, the people who do not believe in Him was the disciples who left because of the earlier teaching(that we must eat Jesus's body). Either way Jesus knew it from the beginning. He knew they would not believe, and that Judas would betray Him before they actually did, could even decide to do it.

Because the spirit goes where he goes. not because the spirit is aready at the place where David will go.

I disagree.

[gnostic]

The god being omnipresent and omniscient is debunked, when he ask questions, like:-

Originally Posted by Genesis 3:9

The Lord God called out to the man and said to him, "Where are you?"

Originally Posted by Genesis 3:11

Then He asked, "Who told you that you were naked? Did you eat of the tree from which I had forbidden you to eat?"

Originally Posted by Genesis 4:9

The Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?"

If God was ever-present and all-knowing, he would be there and should not have to ask questions about what's going on.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Not as in the Father and the Holy Spirit, but maybe there are spirits of God that are different...
But that isn't the point, in Pslam 139 David uses the words "O LORD" and "O God" throughtout, making it clear who he was referring to in the psalm. YHWH.

discussion of this topic will require a whole new thread sir.


I understand He was referring to Judas Iscariot as the betrayer, but the other part, the people who do not believe in Him was the disciples who left because of the earlier teaching(that we must eat Jesus's body). Either way Jesus knew it from the beginning. He knew they would not believe, and that Judas would betray Him before they actually did, could even decide to do it.

I disagree.

You misunderstood that passage you are referring to sir, i need to go home. i will get a computer as soon as i get home and reply ok? have a nice evening !

replies in pik sir, thanks!

[Mister Emu]

If God was ever-present and all-knowing, he would be there and should not have to ask questions about what's going on.

I often ask my neices and nephews questions about what they've done that I already know the answers too... It is to give them a chance to tell me on their own.

discussion of this topic will require a whole new thread sir.

Possibly, but it cannot be denied that David uses the Tetragrammaton in the Psalm.

You misunderstood that passage you are referring to sir, i need to go home. i will get a computer as soon as i get home and reply ok? have a nice evening !

I am fairly sure that I am not misunderstanding, but I look forward to your reply. Have a good night.