LDS beliefs and the Bible

[Sola'lor]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

This is your opinion, it is not biblically founded, if there are biblical conceptes tackled in this post above, we have had discussed it a million times.

You're right, it's not biblically founded, except for it being the main principle behind every writing in the Bible.

As i said two contradicting concepts cannot be both true, two contradicting laws happening one after the other cannot be both true, especially if we remain faithfull to a sole basis.

You do not believe on a sinlge basis, I do. this is the reason why this exchange has been running along for the longest time....

What's a "single" basis. I've never heard that in the Bible before.

Our understanding may not perfect, but Christs law's that are written are perfect.

But Christ's law is independent of what is written. What is written is simply a record of Christ's doings. Even if the Bible did not exist Christ's LAw would still exist in it's perfect form.

if he said "have you own spouse" and not co-own" I will believe it as as such, unless the same bible will tell otherwise.

And yet the same Bible does contain instances of polygamy and does not condemn polygamy. Well mine does. Perhaps your perfect one contains verses that condemn it.

but you have admitted that acceptance of polygamy is extrabiblical, and i refuse to acknowledge extrra biblical reference expecially if contradicts the law of Christs.

It may contradict your understanding of Christ's Law. But Christ's Law exists independent of our understanding of it. Therefore it is not only possible, but it is the way things are, that we do not have a complete understanding of God's Law.

look, having one wife, is different from having more than one.

Oh it is? I didn't know that.

He accepted it in the OT, but again, the law of christs does nt accept polygamy.

But I thought God's law was perfect. Why would He change it. I thought God never changed.

one wife is one wife. own means own not co=own. your justifications are extrabiblical end of argument.

I personally don't believe in owning women. They aren't property to be owned. They are the Daughters of God, they are equals. But If your Christ believes you can own a woman then that's fine with me.

You admitting that some LDS doctrine are not biblically founded is all the thread was looking for.

Actually this thread was about expounding on those LDS doctrines that ARE in the Bible. The concept that LDS believe in things outside of the Bible was completely understood at the start of this thread.

Thank you, i hope you also realize i will not get a penny richer for being firm in my defense of the bible and Christ's law

Neither will I.

ISA 34:16 talked about a book of God where no one of it shall fail
mat 5:18 talked about a law where not a single stroke of a pen will disappear

Yep. I'm not disagreeing.

How imperfect can this bible be?

Look in that bible contradictions thread to see. Personally I only think that less than three percent is in error. And I also believe that it doesn not contain every book that we written before by God's Prophets. Therefore it is not a compllete record of God's interactions with Mankind. I wish that I could have every record ever written by every prophet that ever lived. I would have a hay day with reading God's word.

Have faith in the words of God in Christ Sola'lor

I do.

You don't have to bow to me btw.

May you be called in God's peace as well ....

Colossians 3:15

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful."

I'm trying to.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by silvermoon383

There's no way Isaiah could've been referring to the 66 books of the Bible because 1/2 of them hadn't been written yet!

He wouldn't be a prophet if he referred to something that exists already. He made a Prophecy

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Sola'lor

What's a "single" basis. I've never heard that in the Bible before.

Christians will base on the bible alone, hence they have only one basis.

But Christ's law is independent of what is written. What is written is simply a record of Christ's doings.

wrong, "Love your wife as your own flesh" is not his doing because he was never married. "Love your wife as your own flesh" is a doctrine, a teaching.

Even if the Bible did not exist Christ's LAw would still exist in it's perfect form

how would you know it then if it wasn't written perfectly? God is righteous and does not create anything thats non-sense.

He desires that all men be saved, logic will conclude since he is a righteous God he will leave a perfect inerrant tool to salvation.

And yet the same Bible does contain instances of polygamy and does not condemn polygamy. Well mine does. Perhaps your perfect one contains verses that condemn it.

gee, you still refuse to distinguish the OT and the NT, or the law of moses from the law of Christs.

It may contradict your understanding of Christ's Law. But Christ's Law exists independent of our understanding of it. Therefore it is not only possible, but it is the way things are, that we do not have a complete understanding of God's Law.

it does not mean you will add to it....

But I thought God's law was perfect. Why would He change it. I thought God never changed.

Heb 8:7

"For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another"

I personally don't believe in owning women. They aren't property to be owned. They are the Daughters of God, they are equals. But If your Christ believes you can own a woman then that's fine with me.

You can pretend not to understand, but i hope you just honestly didn't understand, otherwise you will be like the pharisees:

John 9:41

Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Actually this thread was about expounding on those LDS doctrines that ARE in the Bible. The concept that LDS believe in things outside of the Bible was completely understood at the start of this thread.

ok, then you agree that there are LDS doctrines that ARE NOT in the bible... we're good

Yep. I'm not disagreeing.

are you sure? they did not refer to your extra biblcal reference if i i may warn you ...

Look in that bible contradictions thread to see. Personally I only think that less than three percent is in error. And I also believe that it doesn not contain every book that we written before by God's Prophets. Therefore it is not a compllete record of God's interactions with Mankind. I wish that I could have every record ever written by every prophet that ever lived. I would have a hay day with reading God's word.

Then the God that went your bible is a careless god, he didn't care if your tool for salvation is corrupted or not.

my GOD is righteous, he will not allow his main tool to save mankind to be corrupted just like what is written in ISA 34:16

[Sola'lor]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Christians will base on the bible alone, hence they have only one basis.

Where is this in the Bible?

wrong, "Love your wife as your own flesh" is not his doing because he was never married. "Love your wife as your own flesh" is a doctrine, a teaching.

Yes and teach what what Jesus did. Therefore the Bible is a record of Christ's doings.

how would you know it then if it wasn't written perfectly?

Because we have living prophets to teach us what God's word is for us today. That way even if corruption occurs in ancient records God can still reveal the truth to us.

God is righteous and does not create anything thats non-sense.

I agree.

He desires that all men be saved, logic will conclude since he is a righteous God he will leave a perfect inerrant tool to salvation.

But God did leave anything. God ordained prophets to write what he reveals to them. These prophets are imperfect people. Thus their writings cannot be perfect. They can be very good but never perfect. I believe the only perfect being to live on this Earth was Jesus Christ. The rest of us are imperfect beings. and those things we do are imperfect.

gee, you still refuse to distinguish the OT and the NT, or the law of moses from the law of Christs.

Yes I do distingush them. The Law of Moses was a more 'watered down' version of the Law of the Gospel.

it does not mean you will add to it....

I've never added to anything. Only God can reveal more of His word to us.

Heb 8:7

"For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another"

So you believe there was something wrong with the Law of Moses?

You can pretend not to understand, but i hope you just honestly didn't understand, otherwise you will be like the pharisees:

John 9:41

Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

I'm just reading what you wrote. You worte about owning spouses.

ok, then you agree that there are LDS doctrines that ARE NOT in the bible... we're good

Are we really good?

are you sure? they did not refer to your extra biblcal reference if i i may warn you ...

Nor do they refer to a perfect Bible if i may warn you.

Then the God that went your bible is a careless god, he didn't care if your tool for salvation is corrupted or not.

Actually the God I believe in is a perfect God. And He understands that we are imperfect beings. He loves us all and has given us living prophets to tell us of His will for us this very day.

my GOD is righteous, he will not allow his main tool to save mankind to be corrupted just like what is written in ISA 34:16

Wow. You really do have a different God than me. The main tool to save mankind of the God I believe in, is His perfect Son, Jesus Christ. He would never rely on a historical record to be passed down for thousands of years and corrputed by imperfect Humans. The God I believe in is a perfect and loving God and gives us prophets to act as His mouthpiece.

Hopefully you'll tell me where to get a Perfect Bible in the other thread.

[Apex]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

I said your prophet has a lot of wives.. is that not a fact?

I said he had sex with countless virgins... oh? is there a specific number? or he never had sex with his wives?

I said his wolf hungry for sex, you can only hypocritically deny that you know

[QUOTE]You are off-topic and uninformed [/QUOTE]

off topic? i have highlighted the difference between the bible and LDS belief. polygamy!!



really? thats all you have to say huh?

Dude, you have some serious issues.

[Mister Emu]

Christians will base on the bible alone, hence they have only one basis.

The Bible itself call the Church "the pillar and ground of the truth".

[uss_bigd]

Where is this in the Bible?

1 Cor 4:6 "do not go beyond what is written"

Because we have living prophets to teach us what God's word is for us today. That way even if corruption occurs in ancient records God can still reveal the truth to us.

The prophets and apostles in the bible were the last.... your prophets and apostels are part the apostes masquerading to be of Christs.

I agree that God is righteous and does not create anything thats non-sense.

Then you must agree that God will leave a perfect and inerrant tool to salvation. free of any corruption or perversion. i agree that Jesus is the main tool, but his teachings are in the bible, and no where else because none of it will be lost(ISA 34:16) and it is where his perfect law is written for it is written "not a the smallest stroke of the pen will by any means dissapear from the law" (mat 5:18)

But God did leave anything. God ordained prophets to write what he reveals to them.

He left the bible, and none of your prophets are part if it. there is not continuous revelation as the law is already perfect when christ came.

These prophets are imperfect people. Thus their writings cannot be perfect. They can be very good but never perfect. I believe the only perfect being to live on this Earth was Jesus Christ. The rest of us are imperfect beings. and those things we do are imperfect

That perfect Christ is found in the bible, so be consistent with your statements, have faith with mat 5:18. there is no need or continuous revelations.

I've never added to anything. Only God can reveal more of His word to us.

acceptance to polygamy is an addition, if not a perversion of the law of Christs

So you believe there was something wrong with the Law of Moses?

Heb 8:7
"For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another


Did i write the book of Hebrews Sola'or????

I'm just reading what you wrote. You worte about owning spouses.

ok play dumb

Actually the God I believe in is a perfect God. And He understands that we are imperfect beings. He loves us all and has given us living prophets to tell us of His will for us this very day.

God already revealed everything in the bible, be carefull God might find it an insult that you keep saying he did not do a good enough job on the bible.

Wow. You really do have a different God than me. The main tool to save mankind of the God I believe in, is His perfect Son, Jesus Christ. He would never rely on a historical record to be passed down for thousands of years and corrputed by imperfect Humans. The God I believe in is a perfect and loving God and gives us prophets to act as His mouthpiece.

You really have a way of perversing my words dont' you? when I said bible, I of course mean Christ whose teachings are written there in.