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Old 05-19-2008, 09:55 AM
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Again with the TV set: we've posted them, you've ignored them. When you deal with the category mistake that Orontes has pointed out, I'll take you seriously.
Orontes wanted to debate the sovereignty of God. I've also noticed that most LDS members will post personal comments like yours, without dealing with the topic at hand. Please go back to the opening post and see what this thread is all about. The Bible is a fixed object and does not change. Either you know what God reveals in the Bible in regards to His sovereignty, or you don't know what's actually in the Bible in regards to the sovereignty of God. I find the personal comments to be child-like, and a scapegoat technique to avoid an honest searching of the scriptures together. Some of you can continue to call me a troll, or other names, but the Word of God will always be there...unchanged. God has spoken authoritatively through the Holy Bible. Faith pleases God; do you believe what He has revealed in His Scriptures? Or, is your faith based simply in the claims of Joseph Smith and apparent prophet succession? What kind of faith pleases God? Faith in His Word the Holy Bible, or apparent prophet succession? Consider these links because they are based on The Historic Christian Faith...and not my personal opinion.

Monergism.com :: Classic Articles and Resources of the Historic Christian Faith

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**Thanks for correcting my error and I welcome it! I'm not sure if that one verse is even close to imply that there would be a wholesale apostasy of the Christian church. What happened to Joseph Smith's translation of the Christian Bible...not good enough for the LDS Church to use? Do you mind presenting a case for the entire apostasy of the 1st century through the 19th century church through the Christian Bible. I would love to read in context whatever Bible verses you can come up with. Does the Christian Bible ever point to the restoration movement of the LDS Church and a prophet of Joseph Smith? The other sheep is the Gentiles. If you wish to discuss, maybe you could start another thread and I would love to particpate. But before you start, can the Mormon Faith be supported apart from the Book of Mormon? Can the apostasy be strongly supported by the Holy Bible with scriptures taken in proper context? The proper context is the entire Bible, or at least the entire book of Amos.

The main topic of this will be these questions in Fish-Hunter's post. But I gave the thread a more general name because I'm sure there will be other topics about Mormon beliefs and the Bible that could be discussed here too.

I'll answer these questions shortly.
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A brief search of these forums will reveal that I will gladly debate all sorts of topics, with just about anyone...but you. Why do you think that is?

My answer: you commit logical fallacies all the time, and don't show your opponent the respect of actually addressing them when they are pointed out. Hence I don't take you seriously. You ignore other people when they answer your questions as directly as they can. Why should I expect any different?

As for Orontes, his category error that he pointed out was with this topic at hand, not the sovereignty of God. When you take your own topic seriously, so will I.
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The Bible is a fixed object and does not change.
Which Bible... yours.... the Orthodox.... or mine?

Fixed?

Hardly.
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I don't even read Fish-Hunter's posts anymore, they don't make sense or they are like he is copy-pasting everythign from his previous posts and ignoring everyone.

It's really quite amazing. I have never seen anything like it before in my life.
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Which Bible... yours.... the Orthodox.... or mine?

Fixed?

Hardly.
You will find your comment to be against official Roman Catholic teaching and the Magestrium of the Catholic Church. It is a very liberal comment in light of Orthodox Roman Catholicism. I have no problem debating with the Roman Catholic Bible and the Apocrypha books. You will find that many of the original Protestant Bibles have the Aprocrypha books in the appendix and considered to be profitable reading.
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You will find your comment to be against official Roman Catholic teaching and the Magestrium of the Catholic Church. It is a very liberal comment in light of Orthodox Roman Catholicism. I have no problem debating with the Roman Catholic Bible and the Apocrypha books. You will find that many of the original Protestant Bibles have the Aprocrypha books in the appendix and considered to be profitable reading.

we also believe the Apocyrpha to be of value when read with the spirit to help you discern the inspiration from the additions of man
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It's really quite amazing. I have never seen anything like it before in my life.
Really? It reminds me a lot of FFH.
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well FFH at least aknowledges you when you speak to him. he may have stubborn ideals but i can also relate to his ideals. He may be crazy, but then so am I.
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well FFH at least aknowledges you when you speak to him. he may have stubborn ideals but i can also relate to his idea