LDS beliefs and the Bible

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Hi DeepShadow,

I am not really concerned about my reputation on this site...not much of a people pleaser because the message of the cross is hostile to the flesh. The Apostle Paul was stoned and beaten for proclaiming the gospel of God's grace. Therefore, being called names by some of the LDS Christians does not bother me. I'm sorry that my link of mormon.org is not what you are looking for. I am simply trying to define the Mormon version of the gospel of God. Could you provide the offical link of the gospel according to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? I am still on the topic of the biblical gospel according to the Apostle Paul, unless all of the LDS Christians admit that the Mormon version of the gospel cannot be supported by the writings of Paul. The gospel described by grace alone through faith alone on the basis of the person and work of Christ alone is documented by the writings of Paul. In addition, Paul clearly states that water baptism does not save us. If you disagree, please provide Scriptures from the Apostle Paul to refute what I have stated.

I'm out of the office this week in the field in a nice hotel overlooking the ocean with a good Internet Wi Fi connection. Therefore, I have time in the evenings to discuss these important issues. Can the official LDS proclamation of the gospel be supported by the Apostle Paul?

Galatians 4:16:
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Paul and the Holy Bible

However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace. - Acts 20:24: - Paul

A signature from Scott, an LDS Christian:

"The primitive gospel, in its effulgence and power, is yet to shine out in its original splendor to regenerate the world" - Alexander Campbell

I assume Mr. Campbell is an LDS Christian. Am I correct to understand Mr. Campbell does not agree or embrace the Apostle Paul's proclamation of the gospel of God's grace found in the Holy Bible? It almost appears that Mr. Campbell does not believe God is sovereign in this world. Does Mr. Campbell believe in that the sovereignty of sinful man is defeating God? Or, does Mr. Campbell believe that Satan is more powerful than God? These are all gospel related issues because Paul's gospel is powerful and effective.

Romans 1:16-18: - Paul and the Holy Bible

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

[silvermoon383]

You don't know who Alexander Campbell is?

[lmnmom]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

A signature from Scott, an LDS Christian:

"The primitive gospel, in its effulgence and power, is yet to shine out in its original splendor to regenerate the world" - Alexander Campbell

I assume Mr. Campbell is an LDS Christian. Am I correct to understand Mr. Campbell does not agree or embrace the Apostle Paul's proclamation of the gospel of God's grace found in the Holy Bible? It almost appears that Mr. Campbell does not believe God is sovereign in this world. Does Mr. Campbell believe in that the sovereignty of sinful man is defeating God? Or, does Mr. Campbell believe that Satan is more powerful than God? These are all gospel related issues because Paul's gospel is powerful and effective.

Romans 1:16-18: - Paul and the Holy Bible

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness,

No, Alexander Campbell was not an LDS Christian. He was a leader in the Second Great Awakening of the religious movement referred to as the Restoration. (Or Stone-Campbell Movement.) Alexander Campbell (Restoration movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Mr. Campbell died over a hundred years ago too, so you can stop referring to him in present tense. (Why, oh why, didn't you go figure this out for yourself before making assumptive statements??)

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Hi DeepShadow,

I am not really concerned about my reputation on this site...not much of a people pleaser because the message of the cross is hostile to the flesh. The Apostle Paul was stoned and beaten for proclaiming the gospel of God's grace. Therefore, being called names by some of the LDS Christians does not bother me. I'm sorry that my link of mormon.org is not what you are looking for. I am simply trying to define the Mormon version of the gospel of God. Could you provide the offical link of the gospel according to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? I am still on the topic of the biblical gospel according to the Apostle Paul, unless all of the LDS Christians admit that the Mormon version of the gospel cannot be supported by the writings of Paul. The gospel described by grace alone through faith alone on the basis of the person and work of Christ alone is documented by the writings of Paul. In addition, Paul clearly states that water baptism does not save us. If you disagree, please provide Scriptures from the Apostle Paul to refute what I have stated.

I'm out of the office this week in the field in a nice hotel overlooking the ocean with a good Internet Wi Fi connection. Therefore, I have time in the evenings to discuss these important issues. Can the official LDS proclamation of the gospel be supported by the Apostle Paul?

Galatians 4:16:
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? - Paul and the Holy Bible

However, I consider my life worth nothing to me, if only I may finish the race and complete the task the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the gospel of God's grace. - Acts 20:24: - Paul

Of course it can and is completely supported by the epistles which you fail at recognizing.

are you so blind and stubborn you refuse to answer my questions?

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by lmnmom

No, Alexander Campbell was not an LDS Christian. He was a leader in the Second Great Awakening of the religious movement referred to as the Restoration. (Or Stone-Campbell Movement.) Alexander Campbell (Restoration movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) Mr. Campbell died over a hundred years ago too, so you can stop referring to him in present tense. (Why, oh why, didn't you go figure this out for yourself before making assumptive statements??)

OHH...the Church of Christ and restoration theology too... I have friends from the Church of Christ that I debate with at a Christian forum site. They are similar like you (LDS) in the sense of restoration theology, baptismal regeneration, and the rejection of justification by faith alone. On this Christian site, I tell them that Mormons are Christians too. I tell them that you are LDS Christians. And guess what, nobody agrees with me, and fight me over calling you guys LDS Christians. I liked the first great awakening with Jonathan Edwards, Whitefield and company. The second great awakening is another story with Finney, Cambell, etc. Didn't Mormonism start at the time of the second great awakening?

[Arrow]

i am assuming that this debate has gone more into whether or not LDS is Christian. If i am wrong then pay no attention to me and i apologize for butting in.
Anyway, i just had a question requarding the whole thing. Does the Bible trump the Book of Mormon or does the Book of Mormon trump the Bible? Or is it that the two books stand so close together that the Book of Mormon is really more of a commentary of the Bible? I am just curious and trying to get my bearings.

Thank you

[Sola'lor]

Originally Posted by Arrow

i am assuming that this debate has gone more into whether or not LDS is Christian. If i am wrong then pay no attention to me and i apologize for butting in.
Anyway, i just had a question requarding the whole thing. Does the Bible trump the Book of Mormon or does the Book of Mormon trump the Bible? Or is it that the two books stand so close together that the Book of Mormon is really more of a commentary of the Bible? I am just curious and trying to get my bearings.

Thank you

We believe that they are equal. They support each other. They aren't commentaries because they take place in two different places. Both the Bible and the Book of Mormon point to Jesus Christ as our Saviour.

[Arrow]

If they are equal then what need is there for the Book of Mormon and what gives the Book of Mormon the same status as the Bible?

The New Testament abolishes the old covenant in the Old Testament because it was incomplete. The only reason i see for the Book of Mormon coming into existence would to do the same, yet i do not see how this could be possible considering the covenant of the New Testament is perfect through Christ. There is no other book that does this; thus the Bible could have no equal only commentaries or things written about it to maybe get some attempted (because we are human) clarification.

I hope that argument made sense.

thanks

[SoyLeche]

Originally Posted by Arrow

The New Testament abolishes the old covenant in the Old Testament because it was incomplete. The only reason i see for the Book of Mormon coming into existence would to do the same

Your main problem is that your sample size is too small. The reasons the NT came around in no way define the reasons the BoM should or should not come forth. Extrapolating from a sample of 2 is dicey at best, and going to lead to the wrong conclusion almost every time.

Try and look at it less like "the BoM being added to the Bible" and more like "The books of Nephi, Alma, etc. being added to the books of Joshua, Hosea, the 1st Epistle of Peter, etc".