LDS beliefs and the Bible

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

It doesn't matter what you have to say on the topic. I know what I'm talking about and you don't.

Yeah , say i dont know what i am tallking about, it is your only recourse to rebuke me.

actually i can also say that, when as fas as your Prophet being perverse enough to have sex with all of the virgins he can have sex with. i know what i am talking about, you don't and perhaps will never know.

In case you didn't know, uss_bigd, if a man wants to have sex with multiple women, he doesn't need to marry them. These were what the Latter-day Saints refer to as "sealings." In the majority of the instances, the marriages were not consumated.

so? why are you presenting your unbiblical doctrine?

heres what i suggest Katspur, stop trying to defend your church about the polygamy thing, its over. Your doctine is extra-biblically justified, It is not biblical.

I am actually ready to take on fish-hunter. but not until you stop in your defense of your different christ i can't even find the time to start. once i start taking on fish hunter i beleive i will touch on doctrines we "seem" to have in common.

ok?

[UnityNow101]

Religious superiority seems to be a mental disorder to me....

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by UnityNow101

Religious superiority seems to be a mental disorder to me....

The church in the bible is from the almighty God, what wooul you expect?

To God be the glory!!!

[UnityNow101]

To people's mental idols and religious conditioning be the glory!

[Mister Emu]

sola gratia

Mormons don't believe we are saved by grace alone?

[Orontes]

Originally Posted by Mister Emu

Mormons don't believe we are saved by grace alone?

Hello,

No, Mormonism does not accept sola gratia as defined and brought to the fore under Reformed Theological Thought. Mormonism is not based on, or derived from, a Justification Theology that has informed so much of Latin Christian Thinking. Mormonism does not hold to ideas of total depravity or that Deity is the only active agent. Meritorious acts do exist and have value.

Mormonism divides the salvatory process into two basic components. The first entails salvation from physical death. This issue is taken care of by a free act of Christ whereby all will be resurrected, the just and the unjust as the mortal condition was/is part and parcel of the world since the Fall. The second entails salvation from the effects of sin. Just as sin only exists in a willed act contra the good, so a full redemption from sin must also entail the subject opening up to and returning the love of the Divine shown forth and made possible through the atoning act of the Christ.* Thus the subject must be a willing participant in their own salvation.

*In other words: the at-one-ment involves a reciprocating and indwelling love of both the creature and the Creator.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

I would much rather be with one hypocrite, myself, than with a group of hypocrites arguing over whose hypocrisy is sanctioned by Mestemia

Yet it is not me trying to convince others that my opinions and beliefs are the only true beliefs that are sanctioned by God...

[Scott C.]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

actually i can also say that, when as fas as your Prophet being perverse enough to have sex with all of the virgins he can have sex with. i know what i am talking about, you don't and perhaps will never know.

Your comments about Joseph Smith's motivations concerning plural marriage are offensive and untrue. While I disagree with your biblical interpretation on the subject, I think I understand why you believe what you do concerning the Bible, continuing revelation, and polygamy, from a scriptural perspective.

However, why do you insist to go beyond explaining your interpretation of doctrine and make harsh judgements and insulting statements about a man you do not know and do not understand?

There are many non-Mormon Christian historians who have studied the life of Joseph Smith and who do not accept his revelations, but have the wisdom to not be judgemental in answering the question of why Joseph did what he did and in explaining the revelations and manifestations of which he bore testimony, and for which he gave his life.

I find it interesting and compelling that within the Latter-day Saint culture there is a very strong code of chastity among men and women. Pre-marital and extra-marital sex have a much lower incidence among LDS than others generally. I would dare say that there is not a people on earth who hold more dearly the sanctity of intimate relationships, child bearing, and the family.

Where do these deeply held beliefs come from? They come from our belief in the Bible and all LDS scriptures. They come from our belief in living prophets. Also, they come from the beliefs and practices passed down from our original prophets, apostles, and ancestors, some of whom practiced plural marriage. Chastity is a significant part of our heritage.

While it is not complete proof, the chastity or sexual morality of Latter-day Saints today is evidence of the the same virtues in those who came before. Whether you accept that Joseph Smith was a prophet or not, had he been the worst possible offender and sexual pervert as some non-believers conclude, many of those who followed him would have the same characteristics and that which we inherit as Latter-day Saints would be much different from what we have today.

The roots were planted, the tree has grown, and the resulting fruit is pure and virtuous.

Judge carefully, my friends, for "by their fruits ye shall know them" and "with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again."

[Katzpur]

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