LDS beliefs and the Bible

[lmnmom]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Let's please stick to this one topic: The Gospel of God according to the Apostle Paul

What is this gospel that the Apostle Paul seems to be obsessed with as describe below.

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Rom 1:16-17

What is the gospel of God according to the Apostle Paul?

If you want to discuss the topic of the Gopel of God according to the Apostle of Paul wouldn't it be best if you started a topic about it, instead of taking over the LDS beliefs and the bible topic? I'm just curious, because this topic is for the entire bible, not just one part. And if you want to discuss a seperate topic from that, I would think that it would be up to YOU to start a topic doing so.

Additionally, I'm not LDS. However, as other's have mentioned, you fail to answer questions. Not just questions from the LDS people either. I asked you a simple yes or no question and had to assume your answer because you can't seem to just ANSWER the question. (Which is incredibly irritating. I hope, if your married, you don't do that to your spouse.)

Also, to FFH... sorry - but I just get attacked a LOT locally and am so used to it.

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by lmnmom

If you want to discuss the topic of the Gopel of God according to the Apostle of Paul wouldn't it be best if you started a topic about it, instead of taking over the LDS beliefs and the bible topic? I'm just curious, because this topic is for the entire bible, not just one part. And if you want to discuss a seperate topic from that, I would think that it would be up to YOU to start a topic doing so.

Additionally, I'm not LDS. However, as other's have mentioned, you fail to answer questions. Not just questions from the LDS people either. I asked you a simple yes or no question and had to assume your answer because you can't seem to just ANSWER the question. (Which is incredibly irritating. I hope, if your married, you don't do that to your spouse.)

Also, to FFH... sorry - but I just get attacked a LOT locally and am so used to it.

I think we are trying to create order here for a meaningful discussion. According to the LDS Christians, they want to discuss one issue at a time since I have not been able to answer all of their questions. Since you are not an LDS Christian, I will try to follow their requests and not debate with yourself. Yes, I would like to discuss all the issues, but we need to go topic by topic if I will be able to answer their questions. I have no idea if you are a historical bibical Christian, or a Christian at all. I know you stated that you are not an LDS Christian. So, what is your motive on this thread my friend, and what is your faith?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by FFH

You need to dump your NIV or whatever version you're using, even the King James has errors, all other version have even more errors.

I personally use the Joseph Smith Inspired version, there's no other copy of the Bible that is more accurate, but here's the King James.

King James
Hebrews 8:7
For if that first covenant had been fautless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Agree, the law changed, but only the portion that deals with the various punishments of the law and animal sacrifices, those animals being offered up unto God in order to answer the punishment of the law.

Christ has taken ALL punishment for sin, for those who are willing to turn from sin and deny themselves of all ungodliness, wherein they take up their cross and follow him.

Where in the bible does it say a PORTION of the law was changed?

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by lmnmom

I'm not Mormon, but let me get this straight. So God did allow a prophet to practice polygamy, then changed the law. So - why can't God change the law again? Assuming that you're not God, which is a pretty safe assumption, you can't really state that he didn't change the law again. It really is a pointless argument if you ask me. Since none of us are God none of us will have any conclusive answer on what God is doing, has done, or is going to do.

did the bible say he will change the law again? no!

It says in hebrews, Christ perfected the law and he has an unchangaeble priesthood.

"PERFECT AND UNCHANGEABLE"

That is what is written.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by lmnmom

I also have to wonder about the whole "Christian" thing. Isn't it being exactly OPPOSITE of what Christ wants you to do if you judge an entire group of people by your own standards? You don't have the right to tell someone else what they are or aren't - to me that is not being a Christian at all. .

Judgement and rebuke are two different things!

Only God has the right to judge and the reality is no one will really know who is right until we're dead. And at that point you aren't really going to be share that information with the rest of us. So why point fingers and tell someone they are wrong? You don't have to agree with them, but in the end it's just all a matter of who's story is right. And no one will know until it's too late to tell

God has the sole right to judge people. I agree 100 %

again, a Judgement and a Rebuke are two different things!

[Orontes]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Let's please stick to this one topic: The Gospel of God according to the Apostle Paul

What is this gospel that the Apostle Paul seems to be obsessed with as describe below.

I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith." Rom 1:16-17

What is the gospel of God according to the Apostle Paul?

Given the number of Epistles written by Paul, your topic still looks quite large. Would you like to reduce things some? You quote from Romans, would you like to simply focus on Romans?

Why do you use the word Gospel and then refer to Romans? The Gospels typically refer to the Synopics and John's Gospel.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

We believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We believe His words and the words of His Prophets and Apostles, as recorded in the New Testament. We believe everything the Bible has to say about Jesus Christ and about our Father in Heaven. We do not accept the extra-biblical 4th and 5th century Creeds or any of the statements of faith written at the time of the Protestant Reforation or later. It is the doctrines of these creeds and statements of faith we take issue with, not the Bible. If we believe in a different God, Christ, and gospel than traditional Christians do, it is because they have departed from the gospel as taught by our Savior. It's because their beliefs, not ours, cannot be reconciled to those taught in the Bible.

Amen.

As one of those "25" Mormons, this thread is about LDS beliefs. So the title kind of grabs our attention. And we're consistent in our doctrine. Historical, or traditional Christian doctrine is all over the board. Not a lot of consistency there.

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Starfish

Amen.

As one of those "25" Mormons, this thread is about LDS beliefs. So the title kind of grabs our attention. And we're consistent in our doctrine. Historical, or traditional Christian doctrine is all over the board. Not a lot of consistency there.

Please see the opening post below:

This thread is a continuation of a discussion from another thread.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter
**Thanks for correcting my error and I welcome it! I'm not sure if that one verse is even close to imply that there would be a wholesale apostasy of the Christian church. What happened to Joseph Smith's translation of the Christian Bible...not good enough for the LDS Church to use? Do you mind presenting a case for the entire apostasy of the 1st century through the 19th century church through the Christian Bible. I would love to read in context whatever Bible verses you can come up with. Does the Christian Bible ever point to the restoration movement of the LDS Church and a prophet of Joseph Smith? The other sheep is the Gentiles. If you wish to discuss, maybe you could start another thread and I would love to particpate. But before you start, can the Mormon Faith be supported apart from the Book of Mormon? Can the apostasy be strongly supported by the Holy Bible with scriptures taken in proper context? The proper context is the entire Bible, or at least the entire book of Amos.

The main topic of this will be these questions in Fish-Hunter's post. But I gave the thread a more general name because I'm sure there will be other topics about Mormon beliefs and the Bible that could be discussed here too.

It seems the thread is about an LDS Mormon Christian debating myself in regards to stating that the Mormon Faith cannot be supported by the Bible alone.

[Starfish]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Please see the opening post below:



It seems the thread is about an LDS Mormon Christian debating myself in regards to stating that the Mormon Faith cannot be supported by the Bible alone.

I'm sorry. I don't understand this post. If it's saying I was off-topic, I apologize. I was responding to the previous posts.