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Old 04-24-2008, 06:00 PM
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Thanks for your response. There is so much to cover. We should stick with one topic, don't you think?
Then please pick a topic and stick to it.

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I believe the centrality of the message in the New Testament is the gospel of God, or the gospel of grace, or the gospel of Christ. The gospel is described in several ways in the New Testament.
That was quite vague.

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I believe LDS.org proclaims that the Mormon Church restored the gospel.
No, Jesus restored his true gospel and true church through the prophet Joseph Smith.

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Could you please share the Mormon gospel (good news)?
The "Mormon gospel" is the gospel of Christ -- that he, the Son of God, became a man, suffered and died for our sins, and grants us forgiveness conditional on our faith in him and obedience to his commandments, providing the means whereby we can be sanctified and become heirs to God, joint heirs with Christ.
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:08 PM
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Then please pick a topic and stick to it.



That was quite vague.



No, Jesus restored his true gospel and true church through the prophet Joseph Smith.



The "Mormon gospel" is the gospel of Christ -- that he, the Son of God, became a man, suffered and died for our sins, and grants us forgiveness conditional on our faith in him and obedience to his commandments, providing the means whereby we can be sanctified and become heirs to God, joint heirs with Christ.
Okay...let's stick to the gospel of Christ! You are proclaiming a gospel conditional upon obedience to his commandments, correct? How obedient do you need to be to be forgiven? Can you be forgiven one day because you had a good day in obeying the commands of God, and the next day not forgiven because of lack of obdience? Does God grade on a scale, or does He require perfection? Which commandments are necessary to obey, because there are quite a few in the Old Testament? The challenge is to proclaim the Mormon version of the gospel using only the Bible. When you use the Bible, all of scripture truth should be used. James chapter 2 is in harmony with the epistles of Paul.
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Old 04-24-2008, 06:39 PM
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BTW...do you come from a generational LDS household too?
I would answer, but the question seems to be off topic, but thanks for trying.
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Okay...let's stick to the gospel of Christ! You are proclaiming a gospel conditional upon obedience to his commandments, correct? How obedient do you need to be to be forgiven? Can you be forgiven one day because you had a good day in obeying the commands of God, and the next day not forgiven because of lack of obdience? Does God grade on a scale, or does He require perfection? Which commandments are necessary to obey, because there are quite a few in the Old Testament? The challenge is to proclaim the Mormon version of the gospel using only the Bible. When you use the Bible, all of scripture truth should be used. James chapter 2 is in harmony with the epistles of Paul.
You need to do your best and God will do the rest. It's as simple as that.
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You need to do your best and God will do the rest. It's as simple as that.
Your statement cannot be supported by the Holy Bible. I encourage you try if you don't believe me. The purpose of this thread is to see if the Mormon Faith can be supported in the Christian Bible. Give it a try.
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The doctrines and covenants of the book of mormon violates 1 Tim 3:2. since two contradicting concepts cannot be both true, Joseph Smith couldn't have been sent by the same God that sent Jesus Christ of the bible.
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If i may debate side by side with you today!

The doctrines and covenants of the book of mormon violates 1 Tim 3:2. since two contradicting concepts cannot be both true, Joseph Smith couldn't have been sent by the same God that sent Jesus Christ of the bible.
Your participation is welcomed! Please give the LDS Christians the opportunity to prove their faith through the Christian Bible alone.
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They can't.

Mentioning 1 tim 3:1-5 will end it all...
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The doctrines and covenants of the book of mormon violates 1 Tim 3:2. since two contradicting concepts cannot be both true, Joseph Smith couldn't have been sent by the same God that sent Jesus Christ of the bible.
You're still bringing this up? Didn't you get a good enough answer in the other thread? Or is it because you haven't converted any of us to you line of thinking yet.

You might as well bring up the 'Apostles last' thing too since that's probably where you'll take it any way.
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You're still bringing this up? Didn't you get a good enough answer in the other thread? Or is it because you haven't converted any of us to you line of thinking yet.

You might as well bring up the 'Apostles last' thing too since that's probably where you'll take it any way.

We don't have to go there my friend. Joseph Smith Wrote the mormon doctrine that was contradictory to 1 tim 3:1-5, end of story.

Two contradicting concepts cannot be both true, all you can do is justify or lead me to deviate from the bible saying that there other sources. if this other sources contradicts Christ its not worthy to be looked at all sir. co'z those who will teach a different christ must be accursed as one verse stated.

But the fact will always stand. The mormon doctrine contradicts real christian doctrine written in the bible specifically because your founder wanted 10 virgin wives, and 1 Tim. 1:2 states only one wife is allowed a bishop.

One wife is one wife, and 10 virgin are 10 virgins, how hard is that to understand.
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