LDS beliefs and the Bible

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Beware of the spiritual bait and switch.

To quote Popeyesays, "Generally one sees the qualities in others which best describe one's own negative attributes."

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

uss_bidg, you are really fixated on the issue of polygamy, aren't you?

Two contradicting concepts cannot be both true. The contradiction lie on the concet of polygamy, hence i will focus on it in order to remain faithfull to my point.

I sure hope no one takes this personally. the bible says:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.



i am merely doing this:

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

why? because of this

Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

and

1 Timothy 5:20
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.


besides see my signature!

[zoe and vic]

I don't know anything about determinism, or free-will. I only know what the Word of God says concerning the conditions by which we exist. By both of the arguments here they are insufficient to establish the truth that God has revealed.

There is one choice: trust God, or don't. The vessel fit to destruction is already made and all conditions surrounding its end and middle are finished. The vessel fit for mercy is too. To trust God you must believe His Word... nothing else. If you believe His Word you will do His will, because believing His Word will cause you to walk in Christ. Not believing His Word will do the opposite. God made both paths and yes God has determined that light and dark be separated. So God has willed (decreed) the path to destruction and the path to glory. The lack of choosing is not a choice it's the lack of choice making. The only choice is Christ and I can't even fathom how that could be considered free will.

I only know what the Word of God says concerning the conditions by which we exist.

[zoe and vic]

I still am waiting for the LDS' on this site to explain Sam and Lemuel and the other new revelation of God's glory that would be deemed scripture and can be found residing in the bosom of the Father.

The Son is the Logos, THE revelation, the Word of God.

In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word.

So if God is the Word, and the Word is God, and the Word is the revelation: the Logos, and the Logos is the Son, and the Son is Jesus. That would make Jesus the revelation, the Word of God. So He is the perfect, flawless, sinless, blemish free Word of God. And He can be found 100% in the Father. Any revelation outside of the Father did not come from God, but from man.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by zoe and vic

He is the perfect, flawless, sinless, blemish free Word of God. And He can be found 100% in the Father. Any revelation outside of the Father did not come from God, but from man.

I agree 100% my friend!

too bad i cant frubal you anymore..

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by zoe and vic

I still am waiting for the LDS' on this site to explain Sam and Lemuel and the other new revelation of God's glory that would be deemed scripture and can be found residing in the bosom of the Father.

If you would explain what on earth you mean here, perhaps we could.

[zoe and vic]

Jesus is the Son.

The Son is in the Father.

Jesus can be found 100% in the Father. Any revelation outside of the Father does not come from God, but from man, because Jesus does not say anything of Himself, He only does and says what His Father does and says.

Lemuel and Sam and the other characters in the narrative of Mr. Smith are my question. If Jesus said it, "another testament of Jesus Christ," then where can I find it in the Father?

[Bishka]

Originally Posted by zoe and vic

Lemuel and Sam and the other characters in the narrative of Mr. Smith are my question.

I'm curious on why you picked those two names out of the entire Book of Mormon (which we believe to be a record of ancient peoples). Would you care to elaborate on why you chose those names, or did you just draw them out of a hat?

Originally Posted by zoe and vic

If Jesus said it, "another testament of Jesus Christ," then where can I find it in the Father?

I'm not sure what you are even asking, could you rephrase this?

[Scott C.]

I don't think non-LDS understand what LDS believe about revelation. Some of the posts in this thread demonstrate my point.

I want to try something and see if it helps Christians on RF to understand what we believe. (Actually I should only speak for myself and what I believe). I'm not asking that you agree and accept. I just want you to get to a better level of understanding.

Suppose that you are living in the area of the Holy Land shortly after the resuurection of Christ. Suppose you never met him in person. Suppose that you hear Paul preaching, you feel a witness of the Holy Spirit that what he says is true. You become a Christian. Paul is alive. Peter is alive. Others who saw the resurrected Lord are alive. You don't have a Bible, but you have the Old Testament. You also have some epistles which you read and enjoy. The canon of scripture is growing. The authors of the scriptures are alive and well and continue to produce writings which will later be canonized. You, as a Christian, do not consider the canon of scripture to be closed nor do you expect it to close. You are living in the midst of living witnesses of Christ who continue to receive and teach his word by revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus has already been born, lived, died, resurrected and ascended to heaven. You never met him. He left behind living witnesses who represent him and can speak authoritatively concerning his divinity and resurrection. You gain strength in your own spritual witness as you hear them testify with conviction of what they saw and heard and felt.

Imagine yourself in that place and time. How do you see Peter, James, John, and Paul and the others? How do you interact with and accept their epistles, which are not yet canonized? Do they ever make personal statements, which you disgaree with? Do you assume some of what they say, in certain circumstances, may be personal opinion only and not revealed doctrine? How do you reconcile this? Are you accepting that they are less than perfect? Are you accepting that more of the word of God will yet be revealed from them? Are you excited and anxious for more? Do you feel like they should stop writing any more epistles, because the ones you have, you feel are sufficient?

As an LDS, I see myself as living in such a time. While its 2008, I see the same New Testament Church, if you will, in action and in existence in the LDS church. I see living prophets walking the earth. I get council and advice, sometimes opinions, and sometimes revelations through them. The canon is still growing. I'm excited and hope to receive more truth. I see a vibrant, Holy Ghost filled, church of God.

in a nutsheel, what I'm trying to say is that my perspective on continuing revelation, living prophets, and an open scriptural canon, is the same perspective which I believe you would have if you were alive in the days immediatley after the resurrection of Christ.

[uss_bigd]

I respect your beliefs as they are. but however you explain it LDS doctrine contradicts biblical doctrine.

Two contradicting concepts cannot be both true and Gal 1:18 states 'But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!


That verse should be sufficient! LDS has a different gospel from the Christ of the bible.