LDS beliefs and the Bible

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Actually Mestemia, sir, Jesus Christ came from the Bible. other sources who cliam preaches the teachings of Christ got the name of the christ from the Bible.

A different versions did not come from different sources, but because of different reasons Jesus is preached about.

Until you prove this it is merely your opinion.
Which is basically what I have been telling Fish Hunter.

You have yet to show that the LDS believe in a different Jesus than the presented in the Bible.
All you have done is shown how their beliefs differ from yours.

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Mestemia

Until you prove this it is merely your opinion.
Which is basically what I have been telling Fish Hunter.

You have yet to show that the LDS believe in a different Jesus than the presented in the Bible.
All you have done is shown how their beliefs differ from yours.

I think your statement is very significant. The LDS religious institution wants to appear more mainstream evangelical to the general public. However, both belief systems cannot be right at the same time. Evangelical Christians have a mutually exclusive Faith than LDS Christians. Both can be wrong, or one right and the other wrong. However, both cannot be right at the same time.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

I think your statement is very significant. The LDS religious institution wants to appear more mainstream evangelical to the general public. However, both belief systems cannot be right at the same time. Evangelical Christians have a mutually exclusive Faith than LDS Christians. Both can be wrong, or one right and the other wrong. However, both cannot be right at the same time.

we don't claim to "appear" any different than we always have been. We are who we are and are not ashamed of our identity.

you try to claim that we "bait and switch" or try and "trick" people into joinign us or accepting us for who we are.

You are highly mistaken sir. i know what i know and i always tell people if they ask what i believe.

1 Gospel, 1 Belief system, and we are proud of it and have always shown it unto the entire world.

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Both can be wrong, or one right and the other wrong. However, both cannot be right at the same time.

Well now you will need to show that there is in fact only one possible true path to the one true God.
In order to do this you will needs show that there is in fact a God.
Then you will need prove that there is only one.
then show that this One god is the God of the Bible.
Then you needs show that there is only ONE single path to him.
Then you will needs show the exact path that is the one true path.

Seems you take liberties and make many many assumptions,
Seems also that you gonna busy for a while.....

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Do not nake it sound that i agree with you in anyway Ma'm.

Okay. Well, I still reject the doctrines of the Trinity and of salvation by faith alone, and I still believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. When did you change your mind about these things?

for me the bible does not have contradictions and is 100% relaible.

That's right, Marc. Just close your eyes really right and wish as hard as you can. When you open them, maybe my post #69 will be gone and you can pretend you never saw it.

LET ME GUESS? YOU WILL GO BACK TO YOUR ARGUMENT THAT THE BIBLE HAS A LOT OF CONTRADICTIONS. THEN DON'T BASE ON IT AT ALL.

Sorry, you lose. I'm not going to repeat myself or further waste my time. I'm sure it's clear to everyone else reading this thread which of us has proven his point and which of us hasn't.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

It will really blow your mind when you realize that anyone that is "working contrary to God" will be doing so by God's will

I hate it when someone beats me to the punch in pointing out the obvious. Is it just me, or does the quality of the antis seem to be on a downward slide these days? Our latest crop just isn't measuring up.

[Orontes]

Originally Posted by Orontes

This view has been spoken to: "This determinism is a product of Medieval Theology (though Calvin is the most systemic in its use). It rests upon an absurdity. I'll explain, if God is always in control of all things then God is responsible for all those things controlled. Evil acts would be included under "all things". Therefore, God is responsible for the evil and thus is evil. The absurdity of the deterministic view can be played out further: if God is in control of all things, then any Mormon is a Mormon by Divine will. Therefore any who seeks to work against that condition is actually working contrary to God."

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

It will really blow your mind when you realize that anyone that is "working contrary to God" will be doing so by God's will

Indeed, embracing both a deterministic view and evangelism is problematic.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Obviously, you're just going to dismiss the ones I listed, so we appear to be at an impass. Besides, you're already told me I have no credibility, so I won't waste any more of your time. You do agree with me on several points, though, unless you've changed your mind about them.

Sorry, you lose. I'm not going to repeat myself or further waste my time. I'm sure it's clear to everyone else reading this thread which of us has proven his point and which of us hasn't.

This point still stands: The Chruch of LDS was founded with a doctrine that condoned Polygamy, Joseph Smith there Prophet practiced Polygamy.

THIS WAS DONE SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE TIME OF CHRIST AND SEVERAL HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE NT WAS PUT TO EFFECT.

The NT included the following Doctrines:

Mat 19:9

I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

1 Tim 3:1-5

Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer,he desires a noble task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him with proper respect. (If anyone does not know how to manage his own family, how can he take care of God's church?)


Any person in the right mind will recognize the fact the the verses above does not tolerate, condone nor practice polygamy. since the Mormon Doctrine contradicts bibical doctrine, common sense will conclude they are different from another

Joseph Smith condoned, tolerated and practiced it. so where does he fall?

Gal 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!


your ony rebuttle has been your claim that the bible is full of contradictions as well. WELL THEN STOP CLAIMING YOU ARE BASING ON THE BIBLE ALSO.

WHY WOULD YOU BASE ON SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE HAS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS?


IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU ARE NOT CAPABLE OF REBUKING WHAT I JUST EXPOSED. EXPECIALLY SINCE YOU TRAPPED YOUR SELF BY SYING THE BIBLE IS FULL OF CONTRADICTIONS.

LET THIS BE YOUR WARNING:


PROVERBS 1:24-31


But since you rejected me when I called
and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand,

25 since you ignored all my advice
and would not accept my rebuke,
26 I in turn will laugh at your disaster;
I will mock when calamity overtakes you-
27 when calamity overtakes you like a storm,
when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind,
when distress and trouble overwhelm you.
28 "Then they will call to me but I will not answer;
they will look for me but will not find me.
29 Since they hated knowledge
and did not choose to fear the LORD,
30 since they would not accept my advice
and spurned my rebuke, 31 they will eat the fruit of their ways
and be filled with the fruit of their schemes.


TO GOD BE THE GLORY!

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by Orontes

Indeed, embracing both a deterministic view and evangelism is problematic.