LDS beliefs and the Bible

[zeezrom]

Apostasy straight from the apostle Paul, the church of christ was already turning apostate and he is rebuking them from straying from the truth:
1 cor 1:13 "Is christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"
Gal 1:6 " I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of christ unto another gospel."
2 Tim 1:15 "This thou knowest, that all they which are in asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes."
3 John 1:9 "I wrote unto the Church: but Dioptrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, recieveth us not."
Paul was even wrongly accused of teaching “Let us do evil, that good may come” (Rom 3:8)

even James writes to apostate members

James 4:1 "From whence come wars and fightings among you? Come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members."

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by zeezrom

Apostasy straight from the apostle Paul, the church of christ was already turning apostate and he is rebuking them from straying from the truth:
1 cor 1:13 "Is christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? Or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?"
Gal 1:6 " I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of christ unto another gospel."
2 Tim 1:15 "This thou knowest, that all they which are in asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes."
3 John 1:9 "I wrote unto the Church: but Dioptrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, recieveth us not."
Paul was even wrongly accused of teaching “Let us do evil, that good may come” (Rom 3:8)

even James writes to apostate members

James 4:1 "From whence come wars and fightings among you? Come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members."

These speak of apostates not an apostasy of the church in general and there is no suggestion that the gospel will be lost to the world. Even when Jesus was on the Earth there was an apostate among his group. What these verses do suggest is that Christians were having difficulty living as they ought and needed correction from the apostles, this still applies today and always has done for we will not be perfect until these bodies with their earthly natures are swallowed up in the victory of the resurrection.

We do believe of course in a wide spread apostasy or at least I do but the gospel itself was never lost there have always been those "few that are saved" walking the "narrow path" on the earth.

[zeezrom]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

For the record, Orontes was invited by myself and the LDS members to be part of the offical LDS team, but he declined. I have documented earlier that *Paul* and I will not answering other LDS postings since we are role playing a LDS missionary visit to my home. Doc has the ability to call Orontes on his cell phone for help, but Orontes cannot be heard by *Paul* and me.



FFH and Doc, make sure your cell phones are turned on.

"I would rather know im going to hell, then to wonder where the hell im going."


Isaiah 29:15 "Woe unto those who seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
29:13 "with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men."

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by zeezrom

"I would rather know im going to hell, then to wonder where the hell im going."


Isaiah 29:15 "Woe unto those who seek deep to hide their counsel from the Lord, and their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us?
29:13 "with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men."

How does your post relate to the post you were responding too?

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

These speak of apostates not an apostasy of the church in general and there is no suggestion that the gospel will be lost to the world. Even when Jesus was on the Earth there was an apostate among his group. What these verses do suggest is that Christians were having difficulty living as they ought and needed correction from the apostles, this still applies today and always has done for we will not be perfect until these bodies with their earthly natures are swallowed up in the victory of the resurrection.

We do believe of course in a wide spread apostasy or at least I do but the gospel itself was never lost there have always been those "few that are saved" walking the "narrow path" on the earth.

Hi brother,

Let's try to discuss doctrine with only Doc (Clown) and FFH during our LDS visit to my virtual reality home. I think we can respond informally to others if you wish. I have requested this so we can stay on track to cover the different issues involved. BTW...I'm glad you have joined me on this journey.



FFH and Doc will be back. They took a lunch break.

[zeezrom]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

These speak of apostates not an apostasy of the church in general and there is no suggestion that the gospel will be lost to the world. Even when Jesus was on the Earth there was an apostate among his group. What these verses do suggest is that Christians were having difficulty living as they ought and needed correction from the apostles, this still applies today and always has done for we will not be perfect until these bodies with their earthly natures are swallowed up in the victory of the resurrection.

We do believe of course in a wide spread apostasy or at least I do but the gospel itself was never lost there have always been those "few that are saved" walking the "narrow path" on the earth.

A major falling away occurred after the deaths of the Apostles, “the sowers of the seed”
New Testament epistles clearly indicate that serious and widespread apostasy—not just sporadic dissent—began soon. James decried “wars and fightings among” the Church (james 4:1). Paul lamented “divisions” in the Church and how “grievous wolves” would not spare “the flock” (1 cor 11:18 Acts 20:29-31) He knew an apostasy was coming and wrote to the Thessalonians that Jesus’ second coming would not occur “except there come a falling away first,” further advising that “iniquity doth already work” (2 Thes 2: 3,7).
Near the end, Paul acknowledged how very extensive the falling away was: “ALL they which are in Asia be turned away from me” (2 Tim 1:15).


Paul, too, wrote of the “dispensation of the fulness of times” (Rom. 11:25; Eph. 1:10), a particular time of times, which would “gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth” (Eph. 1:10; see also Rom. 11:25). Everything would be restored, including the fulness which was with Adam in the beginning (see D&C 128:21; Abr. 1:3). However, there would never again be a collective falling away, only individual apostasy (see Dan. 2:44; D&C 65:2).

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by Fish-Hunter

Hi brother,

Let's try to discuss doctrine with only Doc (Clown) and FFH during our LDS visit to my virtual reality home. I think we can respond informally to others if you wish. I have requested this so we can stay on track to cover the different issues involved. BTW...I'm glad you have joined me on this journey.



FFH and Doc will be back. They took a lunch break.

I know but i'm bored. Do you have any books by Dave Hunt I can read while I wait? What love is this? is a good one.

[Fish-Hunter]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

I know but i'm bored. Do you have any books by Dave Hunt I can read while I wait? What love is this? is a good one.

HYPER CALVINISM AND EVANGELISM

[Fish-Hunter]

My dear brother *Paul* as a child.



Your pilgrimage...LOL.

This should keep you busy until FFH and Doc returns from lunch.

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