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Old 04-11-2008, 08:50 AM
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Even if Adam isn't real, the sinful nature of man is a reality. But what drives the concept of original sin is not that we are sinful but that there is a part of us that acknowledges right and wrong, that we can tell that something is immoral. This forces us to consider something beyond the natural, because no other place in the natural world is there anything like humanity.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:02 PM
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I must admit that I don't think much of anyone who believes the bible as a literal account.
and I must admit I don't think much of anyone who does what you just did to what I said.
Maybe you should re-read.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:11 PM
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The doctrine of original sin (despite what some overenthusiastic proponents of it say) does not say that people are born evil.

And that is why it's always been known and referred to as "original sin".
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This forces us to consider something beyond the natural, because no other place in the natural world is there anything like humanity.
You obviously haven't spent much time with other animals. Seeing as we have great apes that tell jokes, you are very unaware of just how like humans other animals are.
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Seeing as we have great apes that tell jokes, you are very unaware of just how like humans other animals are.
Something is a joke alright...
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So god made us this way and then blames us?
Of course not. Read the story.
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You obviously haven't spent much time with other animals. Seeing as we have great apes that tell jokes, you are very unaware of just how like humans other animals are.
Or how like animals we humans are.....depending on the matter of one's perspective.
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So god made us this way and then blames us?
The concept if original sin has evolved in my mind until what you ask makes some sense. You are questioning why God would do such a thing, which does seem unfair to make us bad and then punish us for doing bad.

The fact is, I think, God made us like stephenw and pray4me indicated. Originally Posted by pray4me:
I don't believe people are born evil. I believe people are born as Adam was made good and that each of them eventually makes the choice to sin sometime during their lives. You truely see innocence when you look into a newborn baby's eyes. How can anyone think that we are born evil?

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I agree with the view that when you look into the face of a newborn you are looking at God.

My parents were strong believers in original sin. They thought babies were born with sin in them like a time bomb ready to explode. I lived up to their expectations. For a big part of my life my experience was from a world of darkness. The light that Dunemeister spoke in in John 1, never had time to blossom into greater light but, as fate would have it, my father was killed in 1944 while I was still a baby. My mother was depressed from that time. That's what I learned - depression.

My interpretation of these events were translated somehow into my being bad. That was not good. What All these bad events did for me was to extinguish the light that was originally in my heart. It took me a long time and a lot of growing up but finally the light is back and blossoming. I am happy and at peace. All I had to do was to figure out what was wrong with me, as if that was a small thing.

As a kid, can you see how I might have had a propensity to reject kind words from people who might have really cared about me? Especially I did not like the do gooders telling about God. I found a lot of reasons to reject God and religion. Now, I admit that it is possible for a person to think things through and still be an atheist. But life being as it is, it seems impossible for atheist that I have encountered, especially on these threads, to have been objective about God and to have given him a fair hearing on whether he exist or not. As for original sin, I believe it is here in the form of not being able to see things objectively (darkness) and pretending that other people's ideas, who may really see the light, is foolishness.
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Are you implying what I'm saying is untrue?
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