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Old 05-03-2008, 08:26 PM
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Perhaps gnostic and I are taking things off topic a tad. The OP was about what the concept of original sin entailed, specifically whether it requires a literal first human named Adam. I've argued not. Perhaps we'd better bracket discussions about the origins of the Genesis or the New Testament resurrection stories or start new threads about those.
You have a problem with "literal" stuff, huh, Dune?
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:30 AM
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To redeem for what, entry to heaven, if so, you are saying that only Christians can go to heaven, if not, what is redemption needed for?
Sorry, I guess I was not clear... since it seems you are not a Christian, all you need to know about "original sin" is that it means you will die..... beyond that, don't worry about it.

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Old 05-06-2008, 05:27 AM
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Sorry, I guess I was not clear... since it seems you are not a Christian, all you need to know about "original sin" is that it means you will die..... beyond that, don't worry about it.

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Actually, I was a Christian for quite a number years, please answer the question.
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To redeem for what, entry to heaven, if so, you are saying that only Christians can go to heaven, if not, what is redemption needed for?
It has nothing to do with "heaven"... heck, I'm sure some atheists even get into heaven.

It's about adoption.

'But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons.' This is 'the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God': God has visited his people. He has fulfilled the promise he made to Abraham and his descendants. He acted far beyond all expectation - he has sent his own 'beloved Son'.
CCC #422
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You have a problem with "literal" stuff, huh, Dune?
Not "really."
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I don't believe people are born evil. I believe people are born as Adam was made good and that each of them eventually makes the choice to sin sometime during their lives. You truly see innocence when you look into a newborn baby's eyes. How can anyone think that we are born evil?
Yes, I agree.
If it wasn't because of Eve...
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The enemy can do so many more things to torture women than men, because we are not created equal.
Shenanigans. Equality has nothing to do with this.

Galatians 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. NIV

There is no "gender" in heaven. This was provided as a way to procreate and God decided to make it fun at the same time (Yay God!).

Many of the scriptures are written by men who are trying to comprehend the spiritual from a physical standpoint. Incredibly hard to do actually, and so they use terms that we can understand but that aren't very descriptive of what heaven will be like.
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So god made us this way and then blames us?
There are 'two' persons who were made in the "image" one made a wrong decision, the other chose right! We all choose, some make the right decision and some don't!

You can choose 'snake skin' or the "Glory of Moshiach."

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The concept of original sin, as understood in Western Christianity, is nowhere to be found in the Genesis account, or indeed anywhere in the Bible, and is foreign to both Judaism and Eastern Christianity. Therefore, there's no particular reason why people who believe in that odd doctrine should reject their doctrine just because Adam turns out not to have been a real person. What they had construed as a historical account of how sin was introduced to the world can just become a parable about original sin.

It doesn't make much sense as history or as parable, if you ask me, but the ability to believe things that make no sense is highly valued in the Abrahamic religions, so that's no problem for believers, either.
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