Is the idea of "One True Church" Biblical? (Jesus, gospel)

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

1. claiming to be the one is different from claiming to be associated to.

Surely you have a scriptural quote for this? Or possibly you are just pushing more of man's doctrine.

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

2. Two contradicting concepts cannot be both true, hence different parts cannot refer to different denominations because there are denominations with contradicting doctrines.

What concepts are contradictory? Are the concepts contradictory, or is your understanding simply narrow minded and flawed? Where is the love?

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

3. Unification is impossible, because the leaders of each denomination have different objectives. one of which is money.

With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Perhaps you should work on your faith.

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

Do you have any questions?

No. The scriptures are clear: your attempt to qualify one denomination over another is patently un-holy.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

Surely you have a scriptural quote for this? Or possibly you are just pushing more of man's doctrine.

1 John 1:3

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.


What concepts are contradictory?

some denominations believe Jesus us human
some denominations beleive Jesus is God

Are the concepts contradictory, or is your understanding simply narrow minded and flawed?

seems like you made up your mind ona conclusion, that is not conducive to a healthy discussion

Where is the love?

Telling the truth is love for thy neighbor


With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Perhaps you should work on your faith. No. The scriptures are clear: your attempt to qualify one
denomination over another is patently un-holy.

Well then how many denominations are there in bible mister?

Galatians 1:8

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

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[Scuba Pete]

So, what is "the gospel"?

BTW, you would do well to keep reading in Galatians, especially chapter five where it gets REALLY interesting. It talks about those who want to exchange one set of laws for another. Paul said you should emasculate yourself if you are trying to do this. I'm gonna stick with freedom here: I love singing bass.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by uss_bigd

If you read the exchanges Sojourner and i are having in 4 different threads, you will notice how he emphasized that i made fancifull interpretations, and stressed that those people learned in his theology has the monopoly of intertreting the bible correctly.

what do you think about that? jsut answer the question on your own as it is not relavant to the thread.

I never said that those who share "my" theology have "the monopoly of interpreting the Bible correctly." In fact, there are others, just in this forum, who share similar education and theological affirmation with whom I disagree vehemently in their interpretation of the Bible. It's not about "who's smartest." Or "who's right." Because, you see, those of us who have taken the time to apply at least a little literary criticism know that the Bible makes possible many interpretations, all of which point us toward God.

Unfortunately, there are those who make broad statements about Biblical interpretation, based solely upon personal opinion, who insist that their interpretation is the only one that's "true." Those are the ones who should be weeded out, not because they're "wrong," but because of the methods they use to produce the bad fruit.

[sojourner]

1 John 1:3

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

That's fine, except the "us" refers to the apostles ... who handed their apostolic authority to their successors, who became the episcopate of the Roman, Orthodox and Anglican Churches.

some denominations believe Jesus us human
some denominations beleive Jesus is God

He is human. He is Divine. What's the problem?

Telling the truth is love for thy neighbor

But not when truth is extrapolated from opinion. One's opinion must be informed by truth. This seems to be a very basic flaw in your interpretive process.

Well then how many denominations are there in bible mister?

The Church at Jerusalem, the Church at Rome, the Church at Galatia, the Church at Corinth, the Church at Ephesus, the Church at Laodocia, the Church at Antioch ... shall I go on? These churches were all quite unique from one another. They had their own ideas with regard to praxis, outreach, fellowship, and quite probably worship. (Much like our denominations today.) Remember the big fight between Paul and the Church at Jerusalem about whether Gentiles had to convert to Judaism in order to be Christian? That's a difference in theology. Yet, somehow, they all seemed to regard themselves as one Church.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

You'll have to show me where any legitimate denomination does not preach "turn your life around, because God's kingdom has come near." That's the good news Jesus brought.

[uss_bigd]

Originally Posted by sojourner

That's fine, except the "us" refers to the apostles ...

I agree

who handed their apostolic authority to their successors, who became the episcopate of the Roman, Orthodox and Anglican Churches.

You are misled!
http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/was-peter-really-the-rock/

He is human. He is Divine. What's the problem?

I thought you knew everything? There are denominations that beleive Jesus was fully human abd never divine.

But not when truth is extrapolated from opinion. One's opinion must be informed by truth. This seems to be a very basic flaw in your interpretive process.

I meant a biblically informed truth!

The Church at Jerusalem, the Church at Rome, the Church at Galatia, the Church at Corinth, the Church at Ephesus, the Church at Laodocia, the Church at Antioch ... shall I go on? These churches were all quite unique from one another. They had their own ideas with regard to praxis, outreach, fellowship, and quite probably worship. (Much like our denominations today.) Remember the big fight between Paul and the Church at Jerusalem about whether Gentiles had to convert to Judaism in order to be Christian? That's a difference in theology. Yet, somehow, they all seemed to regard themselves as one Church.

These are chruches under the same ministry which is the ministry of Paul in the Chruch of God!

They are not different denominations relative to the different denominations that exists today because different denominations today practice contradicting doctrines.

and two contradicting concepts cannot be both true!

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You'll have to show me where any legitimate denomination does not preach "turn your life around, because God's kingdom has come near." That's the good news Jesus brought. [quote]

I am sorry, I don't get what you mean here

[sojourner]

You are misled!

Except that the link you provide is one that reflects someone who is not recognized by the ecclesial community as an authority on church history or polity. Who's misled here?

I thought you knew everything? There are denominations that beleive Jesus was fully human abd never divine.

Another example that "everything you know is wrong." I'm not aware of any legitimate denominations (in other words, those that are not universally recognized as cults) that believe Jesus was not, at least in some way, divine.

I meant a biblically informed truth!

Truth is only Biblically-informed when it is extrapolated through Biblical exegesis, and as tested against Christian theology. Even then, it is not usually treated as absolute enough to warrant beating people down with it. Again, one's opinion about what the Bible says (when that opinion is not informed by scholarship) isn't good enough to use as a spiritual "weapon."

These are chruches under the same ministry which is the ministry of Paul in the Chruch of God!

Today's denominations are those which grew out of ministries of (mostly) the Western Church (Rome, Canterbury and, by extension, Luther, Zwingli, etc.) They all hold the same basic beliefs about Jesus and the Church.

They are not different denominations relative to the different denominations that exists today because different denominations today practice contradicting doctrines.

The theology and praxis of the early communities were quite diverse, and sometimes at odds with each other! For example, the Johanine community was, theologically, quite different from the Lukan community, as evidenced by the vast differences in the two gospels they produced. However, they both present Jesus in basically the same manner. Both attest the same good news, for example.

I am sorry, I don't get what you mean here

You claim that the different denominations present radically different doctrine form each other. My claim is that it's no different from the diverse (and separate!) early Christian communities. They all preach the basic gospel message, which is: "turn your life around, because God's kingdom has come near."