The Context Of Creation (Earth, genesis, agnostic, faith, Biblical)

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

If left up to it's own the earth would have just been another Mars or Venus, or some unique but equally inhospitable combination of the two.

Or it could be the other way around. If left to their own Mars and Venus (and who knows how many others astrological bodies) would have been in the same mess that the Earth is. Thankfully however some benevolent supernatural entity stepped in and saved them from our fate. It was the Earth they screwed up by allowing life to fester here.

[Mr. Peanut]

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1, KJV

[4Pillars]

Originally Posted by Napoleon

The account of Creation given in Genesis is believed by the faithful to be an account of the literal creation of Earth. I have come to realize that this belief is the result of, as I will demonstrate, a grave misinterpretation of Genesis chapter one and the terms used therein. This conclusion has been reached through an analysis of what Genesis chapter one says and also what it does not say.

"When God began to create heaven and earth - the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water -"

The important thing to note here is that these two verses DO NOT say that God created Earth from scratch. The assertion to the contrary is perpetuated by the equation, by believers and non-believers alike, of the words "unformed and void" to nonexistence. This equation is grossly incorrect! To be unformed and void is to be undeveloped and unoccupied, (in layman's terms; a blank slate), and in no way implies nonexistence. What these verses state is that this "unformed and void"/undeveloped and unoccupied Earth already existed when creation began ("the earth being...") therefore this primitive Earth must have come into existence prior to the creation described. The creation is therefore not the process of creating the Earth from scratch and the meaning of the creation, as it relates to earth, is simply the process of "terraforming" (verses three through ten) this undeveloped and unoccupied planet into one capable of supporting life.

Dear Napoleon,

The first chapter of the Bible tells the complete History of how God created the Perfect Heaven. God wrote our History, before the events are complete. At the end of the present 6th Day, God's Perfect Heaven will be Finished or brought to Perfection. Then, He will Rest, that is, He will Cease to Create, and the 6th Day will end. The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for unbelievers to comprehend. The only way they will understand is to become Christians.

Here's how you should read it:

Genesis 1:1 is actually a preface - The Story of the Beginning -- CREATION.
Genesis 1:2 narrate us the condition of the deep BEFORE the actual MAKING of the physical heaven and earth in the beginning.
Genesis 1:3 document us the bringing forth of the Light into this physical world BEFORE anything is MADE -- to turn the condition of the deep (empty) from darkness (death) to light (life).
Genesis 1:4 God divided the Light from the darkness before the start of the MAKING of our heaven and earth -the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 Light Day and Night - the 1st. Day.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were CREATED (by the Almighty God Father) in the day that the LORD God (Son) MADE the earth and the heavens," Genesis 2:4

IOW, Genesis 1:1 is the Story of the Beginning of Creation -- before the actual preparation of the existing matters in the MAKING of our heaven and earth. Note: here's the proper usage of the words -- "creation" = ex-nihilo (from nothing) vs. "making" = preparation / dressing up of the existing matters -- biblically speaking.

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, (Water) and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.

I hope this help clear up your confusion and should also demonstrate your own' misinterpretation of the same.

[Sola'lor]

I think Earth formed through billions of years. It started as a dust cloud and then condensed together under God's supervision. So it wasn't created out of nothing, but existing materials. And then the story continues.

[4Pillars]

God Almighty Father created (ex-nihilo-from nothing) the elements or matters needed in order for his Son, to make (form) our physical universe, in the beginning.

The bringing forth of the brightness of the glory of our Lord God (Son) caused the fusion or interactions of these matters -- that resulted to what we now called the "Big Bang" -- when God said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT". (Gen. 1:3)

[rasor]

Originally Posted by Super Universe

Yep, Mars, oh, and Venus. And Mercury, Saturn, Jupiter, Uranus, numberous asteroids, moons...

No I mean real evidence .

[rasor]

Originally Posted by Mr. Peanut

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1, KJV

Is that the best you can do peanut,just quote a dusty old book which time after time has been shown to be full of errors.

[rasor]

Originally Posted by 4Pillars

Dear Napoleon,

The first chapter of the Bible tells the complete History of how God created the Perfect Heaven. God wrote our History, before the events are complete. At the end of the present 6th Day, God's Perfect Heaven will be Finished or brought to Perfection. Then, He will Rest, that is, He will Cease to Create, and the 6th Day will end. The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for unbelievers to comprehend. The only way they will understand is to become Christians.

Here's how you should read it:

Genesis 1:1 is actually a preface - The Story of the Beginning -- CREATION.
Genesis 1:2 narrate us the condition of the deep BEFORE the actual MAKING of the physical heaven and earth in the beginning.
Genesis 1:3 document us the bringing forth of the Light into this physical world BEFORE anything is MADE -- to turn the condition of the deep (empty) from darkness (death) to light (life).
Genesis 1:4 God divided the Light from the darkness before the start of the MAKING of our heaven and earth -the first work of old.
Genesis 1:5 Light Day and Night - the 1st. Day.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were CREATED (by the Almighty God Father) in the day that the LORD God (Son) MADE the earth and the heavens," Genesis 2:4

IOW, Genesis 1:1 is the Story of the Beginning of Creation -- before the actual preparation of the existing matters in the MAKING of our heaven and earth. Note: here's the proper usage of the words -- "creation" = ex-nihilo (from nothing) vs. "making" = preparation / dressing up of the existing matters -- biblically speaking.

In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, (Water) and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.

This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Bible were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.

I hope this help clear up your confusion and should also demonstrate your own' misinterpretation of the same.

Wrong. The bible was not written by "the supreme intelligence",it was written by men.Men who lived in a relatively primative society.

[4Pillars]

rasor -- sorry to say, but, your opinion is only based on your IGNORANCE and distorted view.

[rasor]

Originally Posted by 4Pillars

rasor -- sorry to say, but, your opinion is only based on your IGNORANCE and distorted view.

Really ?and what exactly am I ignorant about ?
Try and be specific instead of just generalising.

The Bible is nonsense in a thousand different scientific ways.

Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?
Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains. If you read what the Bible actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an "all-knowing" God had absolutely nothing to do with this book. The reason why the Bible contains so much nonsense is because God is imaginary. The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today. Not