Does God intentionally mislead? (experience, Israel, Isaac, Commandment, Abraham)

[Francine]

Ezekiel 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

[Ratiocinative]

Originally Posted by Francine

Ezekiel 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Again it seems that you aren't able to read, so I'll help you out. At the beginning of Ezekiel 20 God gives Ezekiel a message to give to Israel. In this message God explains how the people of Israel repeatedly disobey him. Several times he tries to make them understand that what they are doing is wrong by punishing them, but they still refused to listen. So finally, in verse 25, God decides to give them up to their sinful desires. He lets them go ahead and do whatever evil things they want to so that they will experience the consequences of the very actions God told them not to, so that they will come back to him once they realize how miserable their actions have made them.

[Francine]

Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

God decides to give them up to their sinful desires. He lets them go ahead and do whatever evil things they want to so that they will experience the consequences of the very actions God told them not to, so that they will come back to him once they realize how miserable their actions have made them.

They can answer they were only going by the bum commandments and misleading ordinances sent by God, as described in the OP.

[Phasmid]

Why would God, "try" anything? If He knows everything, then He'd have known that they would disobey Him.

[Francine]

Originally Posted by Phasmid

Why would God, "try" anything? If He knows everything, then He'd have known that they would disobey Him.

I don't know. He told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to see if he would really do it.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Phasmid

Why would God, "try" anything? If He knows everything, then He'd have known that they would disobey Him.

Does God also know everything He is going to do and ergo, He is also bound by His own Fate?

[Francine]

Originally Posted by Darkness

Does God also know everything He is going to do and ergo, He is also bound by His own Fate?

That is a very good question! There's no answer that preserves God's omniscience and omnipotence simultaneously.

[ChristineES]

It is hard to analyze any verse taken out of context. Sometimes we need to hear the whole story and not just one line of it.

[Ratiocinative]

Originally Posted by Francine

That is a very good question! There's no answer that preserves God's omniscience and omnipotence simultaneously.

Really? To me it sounds like a rather dumb question. Since when does knowing what will happen take away freewill? God already knows everything, so therefore he can't learn anything new, and if he can't learn anything new, then there's no new information that he would need to reevaluate his decisions against. You're basically saying that if someone asks you a question that you know the answer to, that you were bound by fate to answer it correctly. Obviously you could answer it wrong if you wanted to, but there's no reason to not answer correctly and so you did so. Since God already knows everything he's already made the correct decision and doesn't need to change what he's decided to do.

Why would God, "try" anything? If He knows everything, then He'd have known that they would disobey Him.

Yes, he knew they would disobey but if he left them before they disobeyed then how would it be fair to punish them? God could have just skipped creating Earth and just sent all the people that would have accepted him to Heaven and all those that would reject him to hell, but then that wouldn't be fair because those in hell hadn't actually done anything wrong yet. God gives everyone many opportunities to repent from their sins for the purpose of giving no one an excuse come judgment time, even the ones he knows will never repent.

[Darkness]

Originally Posted by Ratiocinative

Really? To me it sounds like a rather dumb question. Since when does knowing what will happen take away freewill? God already knows everything, so therefore he can't learn anything new, and if he can't learn anything new, then there's no new information that he would need to reevaluate his decisions against. You're basically saying that if someone asks you a question that you know the answer to, that you were bound by fate to answer it correctly. Obviously you could answer it wrong if you wanted to, but there's no reason to not answer correctly and so you did so. Since God already knows everything he's already made the correct decision and doesn't need to change what he's decided to do.

The way you describe God is very deterministic.