Was Satan really an angel? (Earth, tradition, Isaiah, church)

Francine · #1 01-20-2008, 04:20 PM

If the devil aka Satan aka Lucifer was an angel, where is this actually stated in the bible?

Reverend Rick · #2 01-20-2008, 04:22 PM

It's not!, just kidding. Look in Job 1-2, Job 38....

Francine · #3 01-20-2008, 04:27 PM

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It's not!

Hmm, sounds like one of those traditions of men thingies.

Katzpur · #4 01-20-2008, 04:33 PM

If Lucifer was not an angel, what do you believe he was?

Revelation 12:9 says, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

And Isaiah 14:12 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Granted, Revelation does not refer to Lucifer by name. Only Isaiah does that. But it appears that these two scriptures are speaking about the same individual. Revelation does not specifically refer to him as an angel, either. On the other hand, Revelation 12:7 does refers to Michael (whom we know to be the archangel) as fighting with his angels against the dragon and his angels. Also "Son of the Morning" does imply that Lucifer was a being of pretty high standing. So again, if he was not an angel, what was he?

athanasius · #5 01-20-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Francine

If the devil aka Satan aka Lucifer was an angel, where is this actually stated in the bible?

It was always taught by the Church. Scripture or not I am not sure.

Reverend Rick · #6 01-20-2008, 04:41 PM

It does not say exactly he was an angel in the bible.

Reverend Rick · #7 01-20-2008, 04:46 PM

It does say Lucifer fell from Heaven which would lead us to believe that Satan was an angel but does not actually say Satan fell from heaven. In JOB 1-2, God asks Satan where he came from while he was among him and the angels

Katzpur · #8 01-20-2008, 04:51 PM

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It does say Lucifer fell from Heaven which would lead us to believe that Satan was an angel but does not actually say Satan fell from heaven.

Revelation does. As I already stated, Revelation 12:9 says, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

Francine · #9 01-20-2008, 04:52 PM

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It does not say exactly he was an angel in the bible.

This is interesting to me because I observe that Satan has been turned into nearly a god by a pervasive form of neo-Gnosticism combined with ideas from Zoroastrianism. The whole panoply of salvation becomes a cosmic game of Texas Hold'em between the big god and the little god, with the souls of human beings as chips.

Reverend Rick · #10 01-20-2008, 05:06 PM

Ezekiel 28:12 calls him a cherub.