The Virgin Mary - or was she? (Jesus Christ, reject, Earth)

[logician]

Why is virginity or lack thereof sinful one way or the other?

[kadzbiz]

Originally Posted by logician

Why is virginity or lack thereof sinful one way or the other?

It's not.

[gnostic]

If sex was sinful, then why would God on the 6th day of creation (before Adam's Fall) say that human should "be fertile and multiply". He gave humans dominion over the other creature on earth, but in order to this mankind must populate the earth. And it sex is the only way to reproduce.

So how sex be sinful? Did he not tell Abraham that he would be father of the Semitic race? Babies certainly don't come from storks and test-tubes.....well, at least not until previous century.

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by gnostic

In Matthew 1:25 it stated that Joseph didn't have sexual relation before Mary gave birth to Jesus, clearly indicate he did do so afterward

Not really. It clearly indicates that they didn't have relations before Jesus was born, and says nothing at all about afterwards. When the Bible says the Michal had no child until the day of her death, it doesn't mean she had a child on the day of her death -- or after. When the Jesus says he will be with his disciples until the end of the age, it doesn't mean he will abandon them thereafter.

[gnostic]

But the verse indicate "more than likely" they did have sex and more children afterward. The whole gospel thing was only about Jesus, so any siblings Mary did have with Joseph would be pointless to the whole story, so therefore it was neglected.

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by gnostic

But the verse indicate more than likely they did have sex afterward.

It doesn't indicate anything of the kind.

I agree that it's reasonable to suppose Joseph and Mary had sexual relations, but a belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary is every bit as reasonable as a belief in the virgin birth. If we're talking about what's likely to be true, it's far more likely that Mary was sexually abstinent after the birth of Jesus than that she was sexually abstinent before it.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by francine

I don't even want to hear the details of my own parent's sex life, let alone the sex life of Jesus' mother and his stepfather.

I am only indicating that Mary might not be virgin afterward, and Jesus' siblings were the result of Mary and Joseph sexual relations. There may be a need for Mary's virginity before, but once Jesus was born, there was no longer any need for to remain as one.

[gnostic]

But there are no literal evidence of her perpetual virginity except through church tradition. Also there no literal evidence of Joseph being old man with children from his 1st marriage, except through some more church traditions.

And there's no evidences that these siblings were Jesus' cousins, and again only from tradition. It far easy for gospel authors to use "cousin" instead of "brother" because there is word for cousin, in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew.

Church traditions are no more than church propaganda, to glorify the saints.

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by gnostic

But there are no literal evidence of her perpetual virginity except through church tradition. Also there no literal evidence of Joseph being old man with children from his 1st marriage, except through some more church traditions.

And there's no evidences that these siblings were Jesus' cousins, and again only from tradition. It far easy for gospel authors to use "cousin" instead of "brother" because there is word for cousin, in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew.

Church traditions are no more than church propaganda, to glorify the saints.

The Bible is just part of church tradition; no tradition, no Bible.