The literal & infallible word of God (Jesus, Earth, translation)

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by kadzbiz

To me, the Bible is simply a historical manuscript documenting the non-sensical ramblings of men with psychological and egotistical problems .....

That may well say more about your understanding than about scripture.

[BUDDY]

Originally Posted by kadzbiz

Wet dreams, parables, God's breath and His truth. Only one of these make me feel good, but it's still messy. To me, the Bible is simply a historical manuscript documenting the non-sensical ramblings of men with psychological and egotistical problems .....

Wow, I come back for the first time in several months and read a post like this, then immediately remember why it has been several months. Yet another example of someone wishing to attack Biblical believers by at first asking for clarification of a belief, then immediately following that up with a post that clearly shows your opinion of those who hold that belief. Let me ask, do you really want to know why people believe that the Bible is God's word, or are you simply looking to put down those who believe it is God's word. I can handle it either way, but I would appreciate honesty from the beginning. If it is the latter, then just go ahead and ramble about how dumb we are who believe it, and those who wish to read it may do so...then we can ignore you for the rest of the time while you pitch your little fit. If it is the latter, say so and ask a reasoned and logical question, and I will happily attenpt to give you an answer.

[astarath]

Originally Posted by BUDDY

Wow, I come back for the first time in several months and read a post like this, then immediately remember why it has been several months. Yet another example of someone wishing to attack Biblical believers by at first asking for clarification of a belief, then immediately following that up with a post that clearly shows your opinion of those who hold that belief. Let me ask, do you really want to know why people believe that the Bible is God's word, or are you simply looking to put down those who believe it is God's word. I can handle it either way, but I would appreciate honesty from the beginning. If it is the latter, then just go ahead and ramble about how dumb we are who believe it, and those who wish to read it may do so...then we can ignore you for the rest of the time while you pitch your little fit. If it is the latter, say so and ask a reasoned and logical question, and I will happily attenpt to give you an answer.

It's the depth of it all that gets me. Premeditated anger and hate. You may consider me lost but I will pray for you as you either do not see anything wrong with that anger or hate or you see the error but cant fix it.

[BUDDY]

Originally Posted by astarath

It's the depth of it all that gets me. Premeditated anger and hate. You may consider me lost but I will pray for you as you either do not see anything wrong with that anger or hate or you see the error but cant fix it.

I stay away from considerations of anyone as "lost" or "saved". I am more apt to call someone ignorant, uninformed or in many cases (espicially on this wesite) dishonest in there motives.

[astarath]

I did not state lost or saved..that is decided on his end. My action towards it is my concern and since a hug is not possible a prayer will do.

[GreenKepi]

Kadzbiz...how could it be only "ramblings" when so much of it is something that "man" could not have know at the time it was written? Things like: the earth being round, stars emitting sounds, gravity, fresh water springs in the ocean, mountains in the ocean, water's cycle, the black hole, paths of the seas, things about the human body...on and on It goes...years before they were "so-called" discovered. Added all up...doesn't quite seem to me as ramblings of a bunch of psychologically goofy men...archaeological finds are proving it to be more than a historical manuscript...besides...its not a very good historical document based on itself vs other historical information. What do you think?

[kadzbiz]

Originally Posted by Jay

That may well say more about your understanding than about scripture.

Different people understand differently, otherwise we would have only one religion. I admit that there is a lot I don't understand about the Bible.

Originally Posted by BUDDY

......another example of someone wishing to attack Biblical believers by at first asking for clarification of a belief.......then we can ignore you for the rest of the time while you pitch your little fit. ......

I'm not attacking anyone BUDDY. I've said it many times that people can believe whatever they like as long as it doesn't negatively affect anyone else. I just ask questions and put forth my opinions. You wanna ignore me, that's your choice. I won't let it bother me none.

Originally Posted by astarath

It's the depth of it all that gets me. Premeditated anger and hate. You may consider me lost but I will pray for you as you either do not see anything wrong with that anger or hate or you see the error but cant fix it.

Are you referring to me or BUDDY? I have no premeditated anything.

Originally Posted by BUDDY

I stay away from considerations of anyone as "lost" or "saved". I am more apt to call someone ignorant, uninformed or in many cases (espicially on this wesite) dishonest in there motives.

I have no motives BUDDY. I call things as I see them. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong. When I'm wrong, I admit it and ask for forgiveness.

Originally Posted by GreenKepi

Kadzbiz...how could it be only "ramblings" when so much of it is something that "man" could not have know at the time it was written? Things like: the earth being round, stars emitting sounds, gravity, fresh water springs in the ocean, mountains in the ocean, water's cycle, the black hole, paths of the seas, things about the human body...on and on It goes...years before they were "so-called" discovered. Added all up...doesn't quite seem to me as ramblings of a bunch of psychologically goofy men...archaeological finds are proving it to be more than a historical manuscript...besides...its not a very good historical document based on itself vs other historical information. What do you think?

Okay, I'll backstep a little hear and eat some humble pie. When I talk about "ramblings" I refering to the references to God and His words and plans, etc, etc. And you can't say man didn't know about some things before they were written as history shows that some men were well before their time and had theories about many things that are only being proved to be true nowadays. ie. like Da Vinci's idea of the heart having a type of vortex effect. Are you saying the Bible is a historical document? Many argue it is not. I would probably side with that more so than anything else, but its stories have been exaggerated, embellished or manipulated to suit various purposes of various congregations and faiths.

It's a book. I've read many and this is one of my least favorite.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by kadzbiz

Are you saying that the Bible is art or are you saying that because I'm not religious I can't see ........

I am saying that the Bible is like art, not that you think that it's nonsense because you are not religious. One does not have to be religious to appreciate the Bible, and one does not have to be religious to use it nonsensicaly.