Do Christians believe in personal revelation? (Jesus, ritual, salvation, tradition)

[Muffled]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

This is the problem I see:
People believe in personal revelation as long as it doesn't contradict something they already believe. Then they declare it false doctrine, heresy, or diabolic trickery.

With no evidence either way but the claim that "God told me so!" why should we accept any article of faith?

The Sadducees were an example of that. Jesus claimed to be the resurrection and the life but that conflicted with their beliefs. When the evidence started to flow in revealing that they were wrong, they didn't say "oh snucks we were wrong"; they tried to get rid of the evidence by attempting to kill the resurrected Lazarus. With a resurrected Jesus staring them in the face, they baldfacedly spread the lie that His body had been stolen.

[tomspug]

Well, I think that if Christians DIDN'T believe in personal revelation, they would have to accept that God isn't a personal God, which is contradictory to the Bible.

Does God reveal himself to people? Yes. Does he reveal himself to people all the time? No. Most of the time, I think God has enough love for us and faith in us that he lets us figure things out for ourselves. Kind of like what parents do.

I know that the times I have cried out to God, I usually don't get an answer right away, but when I look back on that time the answer is obvious.

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by athanasius

I second that. And No private revelation must contradict any public revelation(Scripture or tradition). And private revelation cannot add to public revelation. It is just a tool God uses to sanctify the individual(and others) he is revealing himself too. No new revelation of any Doctrine is ever given. And it can't be because public doctrinal revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, John.

wow, can you not see how horribly contradictory this is?

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

wow, can you not see how horribly contradictory this is?

NO!

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by athanasius

I second that. And No private revelation must contradict any public revelation(Scripture or tradition). And private revelation cannot add to public revelation. It is just a tool God uses to sanctify the individual(and others) he is revealing himself too. No new revelation of any Doctrine is ever given. And it can't be because public doctrinal revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, John.

and who stated this? Did God state this? what authority claims to have the right to "shut up" God?

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by madhatter85

and who stated this? Did God state this? what authority claims to have the right to "shut up" God?

God stated this of course! Noone shut God up!

[roli]

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Fundamental to Latter-day Saint doctrine is the idea that the Holy Spirit can and does communicate truth to the individual truth seeker. We have a promise in the Book of Mormon that says if we ask God with real intent concerning the validity of that book, He, God, will manifest the truth by the power of the Holy Ghost. When a Latter-day Saint claims to have received such a witness of the Spirit, I've many times heared Christians say this is impossible because God does not communicate in this way.

I don't know what kind of Christian told you such nonsense, maybe they were christian by title only and never received the Holy Spirit, He is who Jesus sent before he ascended to heaven, he was called the comforter, spirit of truth who will guide us into all truth.
But in my dealings with LDS they seem quite adamant and insistant I pray to God that the Holy Spirit will give me revelation that the mormon books are the truth.
When I say ,i already have the Holy Spirit witness inside of me as a believer,they are apprently convinced I don't and that I must just pray.
I have seen many Elders become frustrated to a point of walking out.
God uses the Holy Spirit primarily to save a person,equip a christian, teach ,convict, guide, strengthen, those who are born again ,which also means from the Holy Spirit.

I've heard such answers to prayers referred to as "feelings" and "feelings" can't always be trusted, as they are no more than emotions. It's one thing to say "I don't believe you received a spiritual witness through the Holy Ghost because I don't believe your doctrine is true." But, it's another thing to say "I don't believe you received a spiritual wtiness from the Holy Ghost, because the Holy Ghost does not testify of truth." I was listening to a Christian on the radio the other day and he spoke of his conversion to Christ. He started as a non-believer. He said he studied the Bible and Bible history and became certain that the history proves the existence of and resurrection of Christ. Once convinced by the historical evidence, he became a Christian and dedicated his life to Christ.

Do you now how many atheists ,converted to Christ, such as Josh McDowell were saved through searching out historical evidence and the like.
You know , God uses many means to lead us to the cross, we can't tell at the onset who is or is'nt a christian, you must watch the fruit of the tree over time.
Yes, there are many false where conversions are made over emtionalism and sensationalism and they wuickly fall to the wayside, but who are we to say if they were genuinly saved, that's God's responsibility

I never once heard him mention any spritutual confirmation from God that Jesus is Lord and was resurrected. So, do Christians base there belief on promptings from the Holy Spirit or from historical evidence only? If you believe in prompting of the Spirit, how does this feel? What is it like? I know how I feel about this and would like to know how you feel

Rom 8:16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
Eph 4:30And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
2Cr 5:5Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.

[roli]

Originally Posted by tomspug

Well, I think that if Christians DIDN'T believe in personal revelation, they would have to accept that God isn't a personal God, which is contradictory to the Bible.

Does God reveal himself to people? Yes. Does he reveal himself to people all the time? No. Most of the time, I think God has enough love for us and faith in us that he lets us figure things out for ourselves. Kind of like what parents do.

I know that the times I have cried out to God, I usually don't get an answer right away, but when I look back on that time the answer is obvious.

Well said !!!!!!

[madhatter85]

Originally Posted by athanasius

God stated this of course! Noone shut God up!

but you did, by stating there can be no more public revelation. please provide me the resource in where God gave revelation to stop all revelation.