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11-21-2007, 10:59 PM
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Truth without Scripture?
How did Moses know that God was God and not someone else? For instance, Mohammed (spelling?) claimed to see an angel same with Joseph Smith, and same with many other religions I am sure.
Moses was the writer of the Torah right? So how did he know that what he was writing was truth and not a bunch of lies? Same goes for the disciples. Secondly, is it possible for us to know truth about God without Scripture? I realize that this opens into other questions, but lets try to not focus on those. Thanx
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11-21-2007, 11:17 PM
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I always trust my personal experience of God
above anything anyone else has written or said about "him". The only truths I know about "God" are the ones I have seen and assimilated over time & experience in my own life. One of those truths would be that with every wonderfilled paradigm shift I make will be a totally new construction/realization of truth. I personally have no scriptures anymore. Just books that I enjoy. I don't like scripts that try to write my life for me. My life is my own. I won't ever hand it over again.
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11-21-2007, 11:19 PM
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Oh yeah...
Arrow, I LOVE your avitar! I just love question marks. ???????????????????????????? 
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11-22-2007, 12:00 AM
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thanks for the compliment
perhaps i am being intrusive but what do you mean that you will not hand it over again?
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#5
11-22-2007, 12:08 AM
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Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, the sinner.
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11-22-2007, 12:14 AM
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Mister Emu,
"I'd say it is entirely possible for one to know the truth of God without scripture." Why would you say that though?
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11-22-2007, 12:28 AM
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I almost lost the whole of my self.. my whole TRUE self... the BEAUTIFUL vital unique me... to church, world and marriage. At deaths door I made a major paradigm leap straight into the face of the unknown mystery... in the face of incredible superstition... I jumped... and landed in eternity. I have been healing and healing... right here in eternity... and taking my life back for 4 years now. Just very recently I took another huge paradigm leap into just about all that was left of my forbidden superstition... and the newness of life in me now... has me crying as I type this post. I traded in everything any institution ever said was true or important... for my OWN wonder filled majikal life. I would never let any institution (church, state, marriage, university etc etc) script or indoctrinate or inform the spirit of life in me again. I reject ALL Authority but my own in God.
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Last edited by UltraViolet; 11-22-2007 at 12:30 AM.
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11-22-2007, 01:32 AM
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Questions about my beliefs? Click here. We do not fear the night, who have loved the stars so fondly. 
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#9
11-22-2007, 04:19 AM
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[quote=Arrow;998185]How did Moses know that God was God and not someone else? For instance, Mohammed (spelling?) claimed to see an angel same with Joseph Smith, and same with many other religions I am sure.
Moses was the writer of the Torah right? So how did he know that what he was writing was truth and not a bunch of lies? Same goes for the disciples. Does it matter who the author was or what he thought he was doing or indeed who he thought was talking to him? From my point of view it is more important what I make of anything that I read. As regards whether it is truth or lies, if referring to the factuality of the text does it matter? As regards the meaning of the text is it not up to the reader what they take from it, for example can a person not take truths from a novel? Secondly, is it possible for us to know truth about God without Scripture? I realize that this opens into other questions, but lets try to not focus on those. Thanx[/quote] Yeah why not? I have conceptual difficulties with God, for me, (I think..) God is in the corners that science and reason haven't yet (and may never?) explained. My sense of the presence of a benign something has been experienced when outdoors in nature, or with my children for example. Science doesn't explain that 'raw feel' for me. I consider that 'raw feel' to be part of the truth about God (for me). I don't need scripture for that. That is not however to say that the truth about God does not lie in holy books for others, I am just stating that in my opinion I can feel God without scriptures
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