Why have Christians forgotten the fourth Commandment? (Earth, exodus, bible)

[Scuba Pete]

I don't understand your question... it refers to any and all sabbath days. If someone is trying to determine your Christianity by which Sabbath you do or don't observe, then they are caught in legalism: following rules and regulations rather than letting the Spirit control your heart.

How do you approach all of the scriptures that talk about FREEDOM? Do you follow the Ten Commandments? Are you ensnared by following rules rather than your heart?

Originally Posted by rstrats

Scuba Pete,

re: "Are you a legalist too?"


If by legalist, you mean someone who thinks that the supreme being of the Bible wants people to obey him, then, yes, I guess I am.


re: "Are you also of the volition that we are still under the Law?"


Romans 6:14 suggests that we aren’t.

BTW, you have a question directed to you at post #463.

[d.n.irvin]

Originally Posted by Scuba Pete

I don't understand your question... it refers to any and all sabbath days. If someone is trying to determine your Christianity by which Sabbath you do or don't observe, then they are caught in legalism: following rules and regulations rather than letting the Spirit control your heart.

How do you approach all of the scriptures that talk about FREEDOM?

Do you follow the Ten Commandments?

Are you ensnared by following rules rather than your heart?

Sunday worship is a tradition of men -IT IS NOT BIBLE BASED.
Do some research.Revelation says this not me: Revelation says that The "Mother" of Sunday worship teaching is the Roman Catholic Church -and other Protestant Christian religious groups that worship on Sunday are her "Children" -Now this is according to Revelation -not me -not my interpretation -this is what the Bible Prophesies. So how do you[as a follower of Christ] deal with such a revealing text of scripture?

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by d.n.irvin

Sunday worship is a tradition of men -IT IS NOT BIBLE BASED.
Do some research.Revelation says this not me: Revelation says that The "Mother" of Sunday worship teaching is the Roman Catholic Church -and other Protestant Christian religious groups that worship on Sunday are her "Children" -Now this is according to Revelation -not me -not my interpretation -this is what the Bible Prophesies. So how do you[as a follower of Christ] deal with such a revealing text of scripture?

Dude your hate of the RC Church is becoming so apparent and I find it disgusting. Is your whole schtick based on this hate? How unbecoming! You can produce NO SCRIPTURE that states what you just posted. I am no Catholic, but neither am I going to slander them. Your hate is causing you to twist scripture in a most unholy fashion. No wonder you did not listen to ALL of the scriptures I presented. You have an anti-Catholic agenda that you want to push. Count me OUT of this discussion until you repent of this intentional bias.

You have heard me refer to the ACID TEST for a Christian. You just flunked it hands down.

John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." NIV

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

That doesn't answer my question, how is one supposed to keep the sabbath holy according to you?

For a jew....

Originally Posted by www.jewfaq.org

At about 2PM or 3PM on Friday afternoon, observant Jews leave the office to begin Shabbat preparations. The mood is much like preparing for the arrival of a special, beloved guest: the house is cleaned, the family bathes and dresses up, the best dishes and tableware are set, a festive meal is prepared. In addition, everything that cannot be done during Shabbat must be set up in advance: lights and appliances must be set (or timers placed on them, if the household does so), the light bulb in the refrigerator must be removed or unscrewed, so it does not turn on when you open it, and preparations for the remaining Shabbat meals must be made.
Shabbat, like all Jewish days, begins at sunset, because in the story of creation in Genesis Ch. 1, you will notice that it says, "And there was evening, and there was morning, one day." From this, we infer that a day begins with evening, that is, sunset. For the precise time when Shabbat begins and ends in your area, consult the list of candle lighting times provided by the Orthodox Union, by Chabad or by any Jewish calendar.
Shabbat candles are lit and a blessing is recited no later than eighteen minutes before sunset. This ritual, performed by the woman of the house, officially marks the beginning of Shabbat. Two candles are lit, representing the two commandments: zakhor (remember) and shamor (observe), discussed above.
The family then attends a brief evening service (45 minutes - that's brief by Jewish standards - see Jewish Liturgy).
After services, the family comes home for a festive, leisurely dinner. Before dinner, the man of the house recites Kiddush, a prayer over wine sanctifying Shabbat. The usual prayer for eating bread is recited over two loaves of challah, a sweet, eggy bread shaped in a braid. The family then eats dinner. Although there are no specific requirements or customs regarding what to eat, meals are generally stewed or slow cooked items, because of the prohibition against cooking during Shabbat. (Things that are mostly cooked before Shabbat and then reheated or kept warm are OK).
After dinner, the birkat ha-mazon (grace after meals) is recited. Although this is done every day, on Shabbat, it is done in a leisurely manner with many upbeat tunes.
By the time all of this is completed, it may be 9PM or later. The family has an hour or two to talk or study Torah, and then go to sleep.
The next morning Shabbat services begin around 9AM and continue until about noon. After services, the family says kiddush again and has another leisurely, festive meal. A typical afternoon meal is cholent, a very slowly cooked stew. My recipe is below. By the time birkat ha-mazon is done, it is about 2PM. The family studies Torah for a while, talks, takes an afternoon walk, plays some checkers, or engages in other leisure activities. A short afternoon nap is not uncommon. It is traditional to have a third meal before Shabbat is over. This is usually a light meal in the late afternoon.
Shabbat ends at nightfall, when three stars are visible, approximately 40 minutes after sunset. At the conclusion of Shabbat, the family performs a concluding ritual called Havdalah (separation, division). Blessings are recited over wine, spices and candles. Then a blessing is recited regarding the division between the sacred and the secular, between Shabbat and the working days, etc. For details, see Havdalah Home Ritual.
As you can see, Shabbat is a very full day when it is properly observed, and very relaxing. You really don't miss being unable to turn on the TV, drive a car or go shopping.

For the gentiles, do what you want, this includes all christians.


For a shkutz or shiksa ...well, I won't say what they should do.

[Aqualung]

Wow, Deut 13:1, I haven't seen you in a while!

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by d.n.irvin

Thats all I'm concerned with really, Sola Scriptura!

I have to completely disagree.
You have not yet shown where the Bible defines which day of the week Sunday is.

Are you perhaps related to Mr. Calvin?

[rstrats]

Scuba Pete,

re: "I don't understand your question..."

In going back and reviewing the posts that reference Colossians 2:16, I can understand why. I erroneously thought that there was a disagreement as to whether or not the "sabbaths’ mentioned in the verse were weekly Sabbaths. And I didn’t see what difference it would make.



re: "How do you approach all of the scriptures that talk about FREEDOM?"

With an attitude of trying to decide exactly what the intent of the writers’ use of the word was.



re: "Do you follow the Ten Commandments? "

For the first two, depending on how you define "gods" and " not bowing down and serving them", I would say, yes. For the third, and the fifth through the tenth, I would say that I generally try to do my best to comply with the principles that they embrace. I currently do not observe the fourth.



re: "Are you ensnared by following rules rather than your heart?"

When I approach a "STOP" sign and I can clearly see that there is no other traffic in sight, I stop anyway even though my feeling is that it would be alright to keep going. I probably do this from conditioning and also from fear that a patrolman might be in the area. At other times, rules and feelings coincide.

[Scuba Pete]

Originally Posted by rstrats

re: "Are you ensnared by following rules rather than your heart?"

When I approach a "STOP" sign and I can clearly see that there is no other traffic in sight, I stop anyway even though my feeling is that it would be alright to keep going. I probably do this from conditioning and also from fear that a patrolman might be in the area. At other times, rules and feelings coincide.

Forgive me... I meant religious rules or laws. Obeying traffic laws comes from us being a citizen of a town/state/country. It is my belief that we were freed from all laws but two: Love God and Love everyone else.