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Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

If Adam or Eve had eaten of the tree of life after the tree of knowledge it would have made God's word invalid. So God cast them out of Eden to prevent this. My question is, was it ever a possibility that God's word could have been invalidated given that Adam and Eve had remained in the garden and had their free will? Can the actions of men force God to be wrong?
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God was wrong, or lying, either way. He said they'd die the same day they ate of it, and they didn't. It was the serpent who told the truth.
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God was wrong, or lying, either way. He said they'd die the same day they ate of it, and they didn't. It was the serpent who told the truth.
Midnight, the bible teaches us that a day to the lord is 1000 years. Adam died in his 900's...


edit: PS, Since you think God was wrong or lying, you might be interested in reading through the debate Victor and I are having about that very topic (and maybe not) :
Victor vs. Comprehend - The Fall as necessary
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Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

If Adam or Eve had eaten of the tree of life after the tree of knowledge it would have made God's word invalid. So God cast them out of Eden to prevent this. My question is, was it ever a possibility that God's word could have been invalidated given that Adam and Eve had remained in the garden and had their free will? Can the actions of men force God to be wrong?
nope. As the story illustrates, God will not allow himself to be wrong.

Essentially what God is saying here is this: I said if they ate the fruit, ______ would happen. Since they ate the fruit, I must ensure that ______ actually happens. There was no chance that God was going to mess up or forget.
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Midnight, the bible teaches us that a day to the lord is 1000 years. Adam died in his 900's...
Try that one with your bank. "Sure, I'll make a payment today! (wink wink)." Unless he told Adam and Eve that a day meant 1000 years, he was deliberately misleading them.
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They did die when they partook of the fruit - they were cast out of the Garden and separated from God (a spiritual death).
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God was wrong, or lying, either way.
There is nothing in the Hebrew that prevents the verse from meaning something like: "you shall surely be denied the possibility of immortality" and, in fact, expulsion from the garden and, therefore, access to the tree of life was immediate.
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Try that one with your bank. "Sure, I'll make a payment today! (wink wink)." Unless he told Adam and Eve that a day meant 1000 years, he was deliberately misleading them.
Is this what Quakers believe?
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Try that one with your bank. "Sure, I'll make a payment today! (wink wink)." Unless he told Adam and Eve that a day meant 1000 years, he was deliberately misleading them.
At the time there was God, Adam and Eve.... I think going by God's time might have been the norm but I don't know.

Thanks for the ridiculous example again though.
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They did die when they partook of the fruit - they were cast out of the Garden and separated from God (a spiritual death).
good point. I wasn't even thinking about the spiritual death.
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